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Tue 7 Sep 2004 @ 16:11	Re: Help needed for complete novice Post #1
Leon Kelberman	Hi all What I have found out about Tony C, he says that he knows nothing about PHOTOGRAPHY, so the first lesson is to learn about photography, He will have a problem about that, as I do not know where you can learn about photography such as the usual information that is needed about taking images of acceptble composition and interesting images that will if shown, other photographers would say 'wish I had taken that', using a DIGITAL CAMERA. So Mr Tonny C . if you want to really learn about photography You will have to learn about film, printing and all that associates with photography. Then when you have MASTERED all that, then you can digitise as many images that you want. I should also mention that I am in favour of using dsigital over film, but then I have been using Film & Paper for a long time. Best of luck Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 7 Sep 2004 @ 16:11
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Wed 8 Sep 2004 @ 16:03	Re: Help needed for complete novice Post #2
Leon Kelberman	Well Mr Evans, did you ever use a camera with film , and paper to make prints in a darkroom? , because if you did not , then you would not have the understanding of the photographic process I am going to say that you cannot learn it all by reading books as it depends what books you read, there aremany books on the market that do not have what you need to know. There also techniacal books that give information that you cannot get from the amateur books . Do you you use PHOTOSHOP because that was designed for photographers and to be used by photographers, the program has the understanding of gamma, cuves. Many of the different processes that take tim to do in the darkroom. Sepia toning and othe types of toning just to name a few. Jpeg (Joint Photographic Expert Group), but Tony will learn Digital Photoraphy if he has an understandin knowledge of Photography. My last point is Do you know a course that will teach you Digital Photography in a similar course as conventional photography, because if not this means that there is a lot missing. IP : Logged
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Wed 8 Sep 2004 @ 21:22	Re: Help needed for complete novice Post #3
JUSTIN ROBERTS	I think Leon is quite right, there is an awful lot to learned from working with film that will teach you more about photography than using digital alone. Working from negs in a darkroom for instance means that you study the image with far more care than you would on a screen, you have to visulise the finished article and this takes far greater skill under an enlarger than it does on a pc. A skill well worth developing because you can then transfer it to your shooting. Looking, really looking at pictures is something that came to me through the darkroom and I certainly feel that the Photoshop is no sort of substitute here. And whats wrong with having a hundred and one different film types? Again you can attain a sense of what film is going to work with what image. Simply saying 'Oh, I can sort all that out in PS' really is a very limiting and idle because as a beginer you don't know what effects may be available and which may be desirable. My fear is that with ever more reliance on the PC then people will try and impose a style though the manipulation of files rather than in the taking and so you end up with a sort of grey goo where everybody is different in the same way. Take a look at the DWF site to see what I mean. There is a magic in setting out with a specific film to obtain a desired result. B&W landscapes with Ilford Pan F is a favourite method of mine and no amount of messing about in PS with a desaturated colour file can bring the same effect. I have been using PS in one form or another for over two years now but am increasingly finding it like a Pot Noodle. Seductive in its appeal and with all the appearence of a nutritious meal but very soon afterwards it leaves you with an empty feeling. So I would suggest that for the good of his soul Tony goes out and discovers the romance of film. He might not be quite so dismissive then. Justin. Robertsatwh@aol.com IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Sep 2004 @ 16:45	Re: Help needed for complete novice Post #4
Leon Kelberman	Aha but Mr Evans, You have used film and done processing and have knowledge of the photographic principle, BUT could you go into digital imaging without that knowledge, would you know what is a good picture, and would you understand photoshop with out that information . When I first taught photography to beginners a student came up to me with a film cassette with the leader sticking out, then suddenly pulled the film out and, then said where are the pictures. Well ! Best wishe Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Thu 9 Sep 2004 @ 16:45
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Mon 13 Sep 2004 @ 23:04	Re: Does traditional photographic knowledge = better digital pictures? Post #5
Leon Kelberman	I have always said that having a photographic knowledge will always make digital imaging easier to learn and use in a competant technical alternative to the photographic process. I did learn about the various films that were available Kodak did make a vast amount of film for vitually every photograph that would be required, they made fast and slow films ideal to capture any sort of image that was required. When I was involved with micrroscope fine grade fil with a high resolution was required to produce the cells and prest Kodak did have one, high resolution and fine grain, this film also became useful producing fine grain prints for general use, but a different developer was use. Digital Imaging still has some time to go, Better cameras SLR with greater pixels , also larger format cameras to take the place of the cameras that used to do that type of work. I am sure that it will come and then photograohic film will not be used . One has to remember that it about a hundred years for photograohy to develop, from the large format cameras down to 35mm, the they said was just a passing phase. How lon will be the final change over will depend on the digital cameras their soecifications and prices. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 12:00	Re: EXIF data Post #6
Leon Kelberman	Hi As a matter of interest what is EXIF data. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 12:08	Re: EXIF data Post #7
James Callaghan	Blimey Leon, I thought you were the Digital evangelist!! It's the information about the camera configuration at the time of exposure. The info is recorded along with the image, and can be accessed in image editing software. JimCallaghan. IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 12:28	Re: Camera?? Post #8
Leon Kelberman	Hi Andrew You want to take photographs, BUT where is your interest and what do you photograph because no matter what camera you use, you have got be the master. I would have suggested you bought disposable camera for a quid,but you have got a Minalto, which I have found difficult to use, but say la vie. The other point to watch out for is that photographic film and paper will get more expensive as time goes on and the disapear, so be careful. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 12:52	Re: Multi purpose digital SLR / Lens's Post #9
Leon Kelberman	Hi Ross To be quite honest , this is not the place to say that you are an amateur, and what do you want to, take photographs of besides weddings and portraits to become a professional, as the photographic industry is going tthrough a dark patch, and there are many photographers who have just finished their courses, they wll be looking for a vacant position in photography. And the other thing to remember the new innovation of digital imaging is falling upon us, so you do have a long way to go. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 12:59	Re: Copy Right Post #10
Leon Kelberman	Hi Walter is right, Always make sure that you get things in good legal order, eg when taking photograps to makr sure that you took it before others produce the print always send the print by recorded delivery to your sel, but do not open the envelope. Also DO NOT give negatives or transparencies to any one without a really fat fee. So take care. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 13:36	Re: Camera?? Post #11
andrew M	Leon, I have a srong interst in sport, so I would like to take some time to photograph that, But as i said in an earlier post, I have NOT bought a minolta, but looking at a couple of canon models. As im not too familier with photographt yet Im still not sure what too buy. Does anyone know of any photography classes in edinburgh??, I just need to egt to know the basics before I go buying cameras. Thanks IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 13:41	Re: Multi purpose digital SLR / Lens's Post #12
Ross Herron	Hi Leon, Why isn’t this the place to call yourself an amateur? All I want is a little advice on camera equipment. Every one has to start some where. I thought this would be a good port of call for guidance and some top tips. I’ve been involved in Photography for a good few years now and know my stuff. I’m now ready to make some money from my skills. As far as I am concerned, there is still a vast amount of work out there for photographers. And I am not sure what you mean by a “dark period”. Every one needs to embrace digital imaging and move on. Weddings and portrait work will be my “bread and butter” work, therefore my main focus. That’s why I mentioned it. I am not naive to believe I am going to be the next David Baily over night. And its very unlikely that I ever will be. However, I have just as much chance of making a success of my business as anyone else. With all due respect to the people studying photography, who are looking for work, that’s not my problem. I have many friends who have been educated to a very high level, who struggle to find work in there respective fields. I have no formal training in photography and wouldn’t want any. Thanks Leon for your comments, Leon I don’t have a long way to go, and I am nearly there already. Are all “professional” photographers pretentious? I hope not. IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 20:20	Re: Multi purpose digital SLR / Lens's Post #13
Leon Kelberman	Hi Ross I have read your comments and there is a lot more to photography than just taking photographs. You have decided to photograph portraits and weddings, this is a very difficult area to work in as you need skills to get on with the general public and whatever you take is of the is the best for them. What happens if they do not agreee with you after you supplied the prints, this where you will need legal advice to know how you will deal with this problem. Will you process your own work? if not who will do it? what happens if they have messed up your negatives or have given bad prints because the printer was no good? you will have to try and understand what is wrong and how you can solve the problems that occur. Just a few problems that can occur. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 20:24	Re: EXIF data Post #14
Leon Kelberman	Hi Sorry James I am way behind, in this but had i ead the whole feild I would have seen it. The trouble is with abbrevoations I tend to get lost, I supposw when you get past ITMA, and then WYSIWYG, then play ing cricket LBW, and MYOB it all gets to much etc. That's my excuse. Leon PS God my spelling & grammer or is it grande ma is up the creek, or is it both. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Thu 9 Feb 2006 @ 20:24
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Sun 12 Feb 2006 @ 17:56	Re: Behave! Post #15
Leon Kelberman	Hi Having seen the Scientific changes from film-to-prints and then digita to prints, and to include th other maby Scientific progressions, our lives are changing. We may or may not agree with this change and some will not accept it is happening and totally ignore it. l am sure that Digital way of life will be better than the previous wet processes in the dark room . The real main problem at the moment is because of the change has now caght up with the photographis industry and many photographic vacancies have dissappeared for ever and the photpgraphic does or does not want to know that this happening, if film and pape4rprocessing disappeared tomorrow it would not make one iota to thw way that image making is made, BUT what would happen in the photographic areas that teach photography cope? ann the Teachers teach the photographic image making system? The photographic image makers are there and in15 years have a come along way when you consider that it took 150 years to get that point of change. This brings me to the point of eduacation, scrap the teaching og film photography, and start teaching Image photographic theory, use of the thory of photography is essential as we should still need to know about Composition, Texture, Ligh and Dark and many of the other processes that were used in convential phgotographt. Then when we start getting that sorted out we then use the Forum for understanding photography and hel new photographers to come to grips with the new system, and may be some of the older ones. Leon IP : Logged
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Sat 18 Feb 2006 @ 10:49	Re: Nikon software query Post #16
Leon Kelberman	Hi Very simple 'An A4 clip board witye the info on an A4 sheet of paper with nam and and info,' They hold the board and photogrph with the name etc. and presto. I photographed 800 Students in 5 groups in two days. The camera that I used at the time was th Kodak DC 50 should be a lot easier now. Good luck it's a lot better than making 800 negs, and putting them with their name with their negs , FIVE weeks work in the darke room and putting 40 on a page, Hell every year. but not with the digital, even printed therm up overnight. Have Fun Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Sat 18 Feb 2006 @ 10:53	Re: Experimental infrared, free photoshop tutorial, actions etc Post #17
Leon Kelberman	Hi Gavin What is your problem, they look alright but I am only lookiong at the screen, have you made prints. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 19 Feb 2006 @ 22:32	Re: Nikon software query Post #18
Leon Kelberman	HI Justin Yes you are so right, I found that the 1st year did as they were told very few problems, and as they had to go through the routine of registring it gives me time to get nearly all the students, any that are missing they could be done at a later date. 2nd. year are the worst the think every thing is a laugh and and play up, reminds me of my youth, but \I did make them get in 'line' so that I could get it all done, The last year a piece of cake, and it is so easy every thing goes well, So I must admit when the students get to theird year they become quite reasonable. As i said, I did not use any software other then the Camera software, and Photoshop and the students holdin their name and year, course on a card, I thought it went well, and I did for ten years. It was better than doing photographically, that took about 4 to 5 weeks to do. Photographing names and sticking them ona a mask then printing them all up, it's a awonder I never went mad, even then it was only about 400 students. Mind you the staff of 50 can also be a bot of a bind, like I don,t like that pictureof me you took it's too sharp, or I have one at home you can have, and when he brings it in he's 20 tears younger. Leon. PS Gosh my spelling is going up the creek IP : Logged  |  Edited: Sun 19 Feb 2006 @ 22:32
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Mon 20 Feb 2006 @ 16:48	Re: Nikon software query Post #19
Leon Kelberman	If they are not 'Schoolchildren' what are they? Freemasons ? Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 20 Feb 2006 @ 22:52	Re: Nikon software query Post #20
Leon Kelberman	Golly Tis curiouser and curiouser what can they be that has to be focussed. Which has been quite wll used these days I should have patented it, and made a small fortune. Any best of luck, must be worth a dollar or two. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 22 Feb 2006 @ 12:55	Re: Untitled thread Post #21
Leon Kelberman	Hi All I have been in PHOTOGRAPHY, working as a GP and have taught in Adult Education and 'O' & 'A' Levels as well as 'B'Tech for a number of years, I have come across Two Types of would be Photographers. A) The photographer who wants to take photographs of subjects that look like what they 'see', and B) those woh want to take FINE ART Photographs, that ususlly look like nothing that they hjave photographed. To be a Commercial photographer we must provide the image that the client wants, so that we can make living. Whilst working in the Post office's Editorial Branch we provided what the Engeneer wantes not some out-of-focus print, but factual. And to go to the other extreme I wnr for a job as a Photogrphic technician in an ART College in London, and showed some of my prints, one was a slide of a piece of cat' teste, they thought it was very good and asked where I got it from, when I told them, they lost interest. This now brings me to the ART bit, I had a catalogue of children wearing clothes, They were out of FOCUS, the colour balance was mixed between blue and yellow and how they expected the garments to be sold beats me. At the time I was teaching the B Tech group one third thought that the the catalogue was vey badly produced and the rest said there was nothing wrong, and would buy a garment for a child. In The USA Money can be made in photography that is designed for the ART field, they are cheaper than Paintings, and there are many prints to be made , and limited print are non existant, so when buying a print beware, unlike a lithograph the stone is destroyed, BUT is the Negative or Tranny destroyed. I will finally say that Photographs will never be able to compete with FINE ART, Give me a painting from the French Imprssionists, Turner, Hogarth and some otheres any day of the week. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 22 Feb 2006 @ 13:14	Re: Digital MF – would you invest in Pentax? Post #22
Leon Kelberman	Hi I used the PENTAX for 12 years with some of the extras, and the main reason was that it was a lot cheaper than the Nikon of that calibre, after the 12 years, I could buy a new camera and decide to get the latest , Pentax LX camera, But the price had doubled and no way would they pay the price, so I settled for the HP3 plus a few exras, Yes the Nikon is a good camera and quality of the finshed prints and slides are comparable, so the prob len has been solved. With digital imaging it would need to test the individual cameras and as there is not much in the prices, it should not be to much of an imposition. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 22 Feb 2006 @ 21:14	Re: Untitled thread Post #23
Julius Streicher	Leon: Have you read Stieglitz's writings about photography as art? Have you seen what he considers to be 'art photgraphy' (at least he was sensible enough not to use the term 'fine-art photography')? It looks like charcoal sketches: not at all what people today are calling 'fine-art photography'. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Wed 22 Feb 2006 @ 21:14
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Thu 23 Feb 2006 @ 16:47	Re: Meanwhile....... Post #24
Leon Kelberman	HI, THIS SHOULD BE GOOD, I might learn something, I wonder if it's similar to Film Focussing problrms. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 23 Feb 2006 @ 23:23	Re: Meanwhile....... Post #25
Leon Kelberman	Hi, Can I please have discount, cos I have just found out that Grain is synonymous with pixels, and not maby people know that. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 26 Feb 2006 @ 18:38	Re: Meanwhile....... Post #26
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin It's not only spying on us but doing us out of money that we try to collect honestly, ie There is a Married Man's Allowance for Pensioners, BUT in the legend that tells you about it it is only 10% of that figure, Hree is the clause that explain this " The Married Couples Allowanceis only due at 10% and to ensure that0nly 10% tax relief is giventhrough you code number, an allowance restriction can be included in you code number. I no allowance restiction is present,we hav to assume that you are not lisableto pay taxon the incomefrom your pension or employment." Well work that one out, I am sure that the HMG employ people wh have degrees in Gobidygook, cos I am sure that no has the any idea in what they are saying. Happy days Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 26 Feb 2006 @ 19:13	Re: Take part in an important survey looking at the future of training in the photographic industry needs participants. Post #27
Leon Kelberman	I am sorry Mr. Moderatot the only positive way to offer a serious photographic education, is to take on what is on offer at the moment and go from there. So whats on OFFER, there is no oppotunity for young people who want to take a carreer in photography, the facilities for learming todays photographic do not exist. and the vacancies that are published in the BJP, are maily for Photographers who have knowlwdge of photography, and there ar'nt many left at the moment, Just like Plumbers, Elecricians and many other trained specialist tradesmen or woman, I remember that the Apprntiship lasted 7 Years to qualif, and they got day release from the local college. went the local college to take day release to take the City & Guilds Exams. Ther were no Degrees in those days, but how mush quality practicle do the do, so that the can work experience. On top of all this the Photographic Industry is going through a change Digital Imaging (I use this word because the positive print is produced from a different source). The time has come from the powers to be, who have interest and want Photography to still play an important part of Learning. Or the whole lot will go to pot, If you do not think so, look at the last ten years of Photographic Students and see where thwent and what they did, I do know a few hundred who went into Photographic shops and sold the General Public Cameras and an insurance policy for the camera just in case it packs up before the yeras up, just to sell the poicy. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 26 Feb 2006 @ 19:41	Re: Take part in an important survey looking at the future of training in the photographic industry needs participants. Post #28
Justin Roberts	Hi leon If you are asking as to what the point of an education in photography is then that is a very good question. All one can say is that a good education is worth having in its own right irrespective of what is studied. In this weeks editorial Simon expressed surprise that a monthly mag has a total photo budget of just £1,500 per issue. Well there are mags out there who's total editorial budget is less than that. We are also urged to go upmarket when selling wedding photography, which is an excellent idea until you go out and count the number of brides willing to spend £2,000 plus on the album. Yes, there may be lots, but not as many who only have £500 or less to spend on this. Mind you, with over 3,000 same sex civil ceremonies being performed within the first month of their availability there is a whole new market opening up. Justin. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Sun 26 Feb 2006 @ 19:41
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Sun 26 Feb 2006 @ 23:36	Re: Take part in an important survey looking at the future of training in the photographic industry needs participants. Post #29
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin It could be that they are tring to survive, and will do anything to try and support that decision. I suppose it is some way for Oxfam to Justify in selling designer clothes in a shop in Bond Stree London W.1. and last year closed down a BOOK shop in Croydon, South London, they never lost any money and always provided a good donation for Oxfam, I also found that selling the 'Fairtrade Goods' , a problem as any of that produce, was shop lifted meant the shop had to make up the money for the goods, and as the books were donations this was not paid for by the shop. But in this day and age the Fair Trade is available in the large Supamarkets at a lower price, because they could sell more at a lower price Going back to the shop that will be in Bond Street will they sell Fair Trade goods, and obviously the designer ware, would have to be Donations. This could be quiote interesting and also wonder how long the magazine might last, as there must be a clientel for it to survive. Of course I could be wrong but you know that unless you provide a profit things can go down, unless you have vast amount of cash. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Sun 26 Feb 2006 @ 23:36
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Sat 4 Mar 2006 @ 23:31	Re: photo competition Post #30
Leon Kelberman	Hi Gosh I wonder who is all mixed up, pehaps i better read up on crockery. (Now lads think up lots of things with !!!!!) Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 6 Mar 2006 @ 17:11	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #31
Leon Kelberman	Hi Stuart How much Photography have you done, and are you going to any classes in Portaiture. and are you reading any books. You do not tell us anything about your Photographic knowledge Best Wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 8 Mar 2006 @ 15:50	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #32
Leon Kelberman	Hi Martin Nice to 'see' you back, I put 'See' in iverted commas, because I know that You and I cannot see each, yret at the moment as, I amm not geard up to just yet. But this ia long story as we one omongst us who does not undwerstand English. The main reason is to find out what is happening in the way film production, and how are things going in the Kodak front. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 8 Mar 2006 @ 16:59	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #33
Septimius Severus	Leon: Is English a sort of 'hobby' for you? IP : Logged
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Wed 8 Mar 2006 @ 18:33	Re: Finding a photographic course is a nightmare! Post #34
Leon Kelberman	Hi Sam. This now the time when you have to decide what you want to do in Photography, many of the photographic options no longer exist, so go round and see what is available. Good luck Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Mar 2006 @ 11:43	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #35
Leon Kelberman	Hi Ido agree that the Kodak Polycontrast paper was one of the best Multigrade papers that I ever used, In fact I stopped using graded paper as it did not match up to the conveiance Polycontrast Papers. Alos with type of subjects that I printed where the contrast was all over the place I could not get a decent print using the Graded paper, where as with the Polycontras papers, I could mix two grades on one print . Being retired I no longer use film and print the negatives and with Digital system I do not need a darkroom. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 9 Mar 2006 @ 12:28	Re: Places that are jinxed Post #36
Leon Kelberman	"Logic and reason will always overcome confusion." Who says. IP : Logged
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Wed 15 Mar 2006 @ 16:14	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #37
Leon Kelberman	Oh dear naughty Martin has upset some one, do not worry Matin I can write what I like and he does not understand me, let me know what you want to say and I will write in ENGLISH. Best wishes & a Happy new year Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Wed 15 Mar 2006 @ 16:14
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Wed 15 Mar 2006 @ 16:54	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #38
Leon Kelberman	Hi David I have nothing against Kodak, I have always used their materials when I was working the one-man-band,supplying a massive photographic service. I always found that if any thing had to be photographed Kodak would supply the correct type of film that would do the job. But alas Modern Science over took them and the brilliant films were no longer required by other useers. So I had to submit to going over to the other side, but guess what what was the first digital camera that I used it was the DC40 back in the late 80's, and was impressed with what it could do even though there was only a few pixels. I was converted to the pixel images, and my use of film began to get less & less. So there you are. my sad tail. Leon IP : Logged
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Sat 18 Mar 2006 @ 13:10	Re: Places that are jinxed Post #39
Leon Kelberman	SS It appears that Justin has got your level. What I do not understand is what has this has got to do with Photo-Graphy, perhaps it is that I can not understand your ENLISH transalations and modern day motives , I just cannot PHOKUS on your English. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Sat 18 Mar 2006 @ 13:10
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Sat 18 Mar 2006 @ 13:14	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #40
Leon Kelberman	No thats JUST scribble Many Frech Artists, 100 years ago used photography, I wonder Why. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Sat 18 Mar 2006 @ 13:14
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Sat 18 Mar 2006 @ 20:59	Re: Places that are jinxed Post #41
Leon Kelberman	I suppose when you focus you play the triangle IP : Logged
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Sat 18 Mar 2006 @ 23:12	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #42
Leon Kelberman	Hi Tom The most well known one is 'F' but that was obvious. Hi Justin I do remember many years ago when I was an electrician in the film Industry, I was working on the film "Three Men In a Boat" with Jimmy Edwards, David Tomlison, and Lawrence Harvey they were all sitting in a mock up of pub and doing a rehearsal, " Isay lets all go on the River with a couple 'Oars, I say steady on old boy, said David Tomlison. No you fool these Oars, and started to pull his arms to gether, replied Edwards. The Director was a bit annoyed and remarked the Director 'This is a family film" Did you ever see the film?. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 19 Mar 2006 @ 21:46	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #43
Leon Kelberman	Gosh Jusstin I never thought of that but I suppose if I had remembered You could spell Fish as PHYTIO if you wanted to be pedantic. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Sun 19 Mar 2006 @ 21:46
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Mon 20 Mar 2006 @ 22:26	Re: best type of film to use for in door black and white portrait work Post #44
Leon Kelberman	Hi Martin I would just like to add , that I pleased that you mastered the ordeal and carry on. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 23 Mar 2006 @ 16:11	Re: Good photography. What is it? Post #45
Leon Kelberman	Hi All So what is it, this ere photography, wll it's like this. A good picture is when most photographers wish they had take it. This can all be divided into a number of Themes (Values) of what the photographers have in mind, or maybe the CLIENT who may have a different idea of what they want to use, but as photographers we want to make sure that what we photograph is good and acceptable and depending on the brief that we are given. When producing large numbers of Mug shots to go onto the wall, so that every person knowa who'se who, if they do not reconise some of the shots they have failed. Some photographs must be pin sharp to show all the detail, mainly for record shots. and other subjects of a similar nature but some differential focussing becomes becomes part of the norm, so as to give emphasis on certain planes to bring out the importance of that part. Also we now come t an area which can be any thing goes this could named as ART of Photography, but as long it thought of being part of that theme, but you all know what is what. Still no doubt theres is more you can add or you may have different point of view , But remember this is not NEW, many photographers past and present have always 'AGREED' to differ on many aspects of the Photographic image that you have produced. So are any these answers or question. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 23 Mar 2006 @ 16:15	Re: How to put on an exhibition Post #46
Leon Kelberman	Hi Nick If you have pots of money it should be problem. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 23 Mar 2006 @ 17:47	Re: How to put on an exhibition Post #47
John Colley	Leon makes sense occassionally!?! Think I know what he meant. Exhibiting work can be very costly. However, it can also be quite cheap. There are plenty of free venues (the more established, the longer the waiting list and the better your work needs to be). There are also plenty of unestablished free venues. My advice would be to find one of these and spend your cash on promotion and publicity. It is incredibly difficult to make exhibitions pay without proper marketing support. I can talk with experience about small venues (established and not). I can only share my own theory about larger exhibitions; spend your spend on marketing. That's what I'm going to do. Put on a SHOW! I would also like to work on a cooperative basis with other photographers who are seriously dedicated to thier vocation. Cost and knowledge sharing can be very effective. John. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Thu 23 Mar 2006 @ 17:47
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Mon 27 Mar 2006 @ 20:07	Re: To infinity and beyond? Give your verdict on the Infinity Awards Post #48
Leon Kelberman	April the First is in a few days come back then. Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 27 Mar 2006 @ 20:15	Re: The X-Pan extinction - have your say Post #49
Leon Kelberman	BJP Many films have I used and seen Some are good,and some have been So it's only right to say That many will have gone by, today We all know the reason why Digital is on the Nigh apologies to the poetry group (if there is one) Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 27 Mar 2006 @ 20:15
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Tue 28 Mar 2006 @ 17:14	Re: The X-Pan extinction - have your say Post #50
Leon Kelberman	I'm not being apolagetic but Sarcastic. Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 28 Mar 2006 @ 17:25	Re: The X-Pan extinction - have your say Post #51
Justin Roberts	Sarcastic? Noooo, not you Leon. You should leave that sort of stuff to the grumpy old buggers! Justin. IP : Logged
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Tue 28 Mar 2006 @ 22:24	Re: Paterson Chemistry? Post #52
Leon Kelberman	Well to be quite serious this fall out of the photographic materials is bound to happen, do you remember what happened at the turn of the Century 1899-2000, when the was a shortage of potassium cyanide, they had to use sodium thiosulphide no one told any Body. History repeats itself. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 28 Mar 2006 @ 22:24
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Tue 28 Mar 2006 @ 22:26	Re: I had to laugh..... Post #53
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin That really is a good one, I suppose next time you go, take a bag of hammers. Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 28 Mar 2006 @ 22:33	Re: Another shop bites the dust... Post #54
Leon Kelberman	Hi If Jessops have closrd down it could be that all the Auction houses will be innundated with "ANTIQUE Cameras" at knock down prices, this could lead to a drop in price of Cameras as thry go under the hammer, and the end of the camera fairs. Mr Cad has a large collectuion of Old cameras, could he be next. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 29 Mar 2006 @ 15:19	Re: I had to laugh..... Post #55
Leon Kelberman	Hoi John You must be a Professional as you wrote lots of lines for your contrabution, shall now rty yo read what you have ritten. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 29 Mar 2006 @ 15:25	Re: Paterson Chemistry? Post #56
Leon Kelberman	I think we should all join the local ENLISH SCHOOL as it is spoken what say you, and then go for a ball of chalk, down the frog & toad for a merchant with a rosie. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 29 Mar 2006 @ 15:27	Re: The X-Pan extinction - have your say Post #57
Leon Kelberman	Blast you Justin you guessed. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 30 Mar 2006 @ 23:28	Re: Another shop bites the dust... Post #58
Leon Kelberman	Hi Jason It is not a question whether is a bad or not ,it will continue to happen untill all the Photographic system of the last hundred and sixty years has completely disappeared and digital imaging will take it's place. I have been watching this happen for the last 10 years and many photographers have said it's just a passing phase, I have seen photographic units completely disappear. leaving the number of photographers down to a few thousand. The only work that a photographer who has finished the photographic course with his bit of paper is star his own business as the few vacancies around would be for qualified persons who could fit into a position and know how to do the job. If we look at the photography that was taken by medical photographers in the eye clinic, provididing visual aids dor teaching has now gone and the work is being done by MLSO in the eye clinics and the academics and students are make their own presentations on disk, using a digital projector in the theatre. My real beef is the fact that the photographic teachers in the colleges and universities do not tell the students what is happening and the photographic learning program needs to be modernised so tht digital imaging is part and parcel of the new photographic era. There will be many students and students to be will ask where is the best college to take a photographic course, and if we were all honest would say that there is NOT ONE. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 30 Mar 2006 @ 23:37	Re: I need your advices Post #59
Leon Kelberman	Hi I typed in this web site, 'http://www.aophoto.co.uk' All I got was this. "Not Found The requested URL /public/null was not found on this server" IN BOG LETTERS. It appears that this happens quite a few time when Forum writers offer websites. Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 31 Mar 2006 @ 18:29	Re: I need your advices Post #60
Chris Young	Hi Leon, try this one ... The AOP Regards Chris. cyphoto IP : Logged  |  Edited: Fri 31 Mar 2006 @ 18:29
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Thu 6 Apr 2006 @ 15:46	Re: External file storage Post #61
Leon Kelberman	how long do you want store ? 5 yrs, 500 yrs, 5000 yrs. ect yrs. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 6 Apr 2006 @ 16:03	Re: Good photography. What is it? Post #62
Leon Kelberman	Hi Now this might cause a stir BUT the ZONE SYSTEM is a bit of a CON. When we look at the processing gambit of the whole System, lots & lots of developer is used plus lots of paper to get the RIGHT print so that it looks right. Well when working in a commercial atmosphere money has to be made to buy the film,paper,and processing chemicals, and of course the maintenance of the equipment one must use to supply the finished image (print). So when you go to a photographic exhibition, just think how much of the paper enden in the bin, to, produce the perfect print. I wonder what Ansel Adams would with digital imaging, perhaps he would say that it's just a passing phase, or Film and Paper of the Silver variety could never be replaced. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 6 Apr 2006 @ 17:38	Re: Good photography. What is it? Post #63
Gregory Clements	Leon, I am surprised at you. (You are jesting, n'est ce pas?) Not a con, but a convenience. I have used the Zone system and found that it allowed me to get well into the printing stage quickly, because the system enabled me to capture all the essential information on the negative. Less of a fight in the darkroom in otherwords. Using the Zone system is the equivalent of a 50 meter headstart in a 100 meter race. Greg IP : Logged
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Thu 6 Apr 2006 @ 18:33	Re: Good photography. What is it? Post #64
Leon Kelberman	Hi Gregory Did you make up fresh developer every time you made a print, and not used the developer twice, but once. I want to make sure that you understand what I mean. And I feel that you have done an awful lot of running. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 6 Apr 2006 @ 23:20	Re: Good photography. What is it? Post #65
Leon Kelberman	Hi Erskine I would be interested in your way that you processed the prints that you made, as you have not mentioned any thing about it. and what you actually did. And as far as I can remember colour did not come into it, because the processing of the colour print , would use up an awful lot of chemicals. So how did you master it?. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 12 Apr 2006 @ 12:33	Re: photos on to canvas? Post #66
Leon Kelberman	Hi Of course in the good pld days, painted with oils a very light image on a canvas background, only to impress people to say that they have had their portrait painted. Also in the early days there was a market for portraits on opal glass, negative was printed on to coated opal glass, usually 12x10 and 15x12, The print was then coloured with water colour and framed, Circa 1910. Many photographers coloured thei images with water colour and in fact did employ an artist. and the really interestin point is that many of these 'artifacts' are signed. Lastly the real gem of them all must be the 'Crystoleum' , this is a print that was stuck to a glass that was bent , similar to a small dish, when the print was stuck, sand paper was used to remove the paper from the back. when enough of the paper was rermoved so that you just see the print base, it was then painter with oil paints, and prsto a coloured print of you favorite picture framed. The process fended in 1914 as most of the glass came from Germany. Now back to 21st. CenturyStill it is a lot easier to use a good inkjet printer. IP : Logged
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Thu 13 Apr 2006 @ 13:02	Re: flowers Post #67
Leon Kelberman	Hi I suppose that there must be something in all this biological stamens. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 13 Apr 2006 @ 15:52	Re: UK exhibitions/conference Post #68
Leon Kelberman	Hi Eve Depends what you are looking for, There are now anly a few exhibition showa a year in the Photographic regeion, appears to be about one or two a year. Focus comes about once a year and that is now held at Birmingham NEC, it's now full of amateus and some of the big photographuc companies do not attend, I have mot been for five years. Digital Phenomina appears a few times a year at Olympia and Exell, try to get free entry tickes as they could cost about £20, and sometimes you think what the hell am I'm doing here. In the Old days one actually learn't something and felt it was worth the effoet. Now It's the new revolution of the Digital Image Era, which is changing all the time, First thousand Pixell the Ten Thousand, hundred thousand,One million, three million, now twenty million, where will it all end .... FP4 16mm film. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 13 Apr 2006 @ 17:29	Re: flowers Post #69
Aldo Panzieri	Dear David and Leon, Image is everything. Five executives of the floral company flew out from New York, stayed at a Hotel in Beverly Hills, and in general used up resourses. Gourmet food was catered. You get the idea. A studio in L.A. cost about a thousand pounds a day to run. Not my idea of fun. Yes, the machines went bling. Aldo IP : Logged  |  Edited: Thu 13 Apr 2006 @ 17:29
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Sun 16 Apr 2006 @ 22:29	Re: Zoom Lens Change or Not ?! Post #70
Leon Kelberman	Hi John A Zoom lens is a poor man's way to obtain a collection of focal length lensess, a 300mm,200mm,100mm, and a 50mm lens is far better and we are talking about 4 lenses, than a zoom Lens of 50-300mm focal length. The cost would be enormous, so work that one out. Of course the advantage to use a ZOOm lens is that one does not have that weight to carry oround, and they are cheaper, but also remember that the better the zoom lens ie 30mm to 500 mm, would certainly not be cheap, but if made by a goon lens maker could be a boon, to happy focussing. leon IP : Logged
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Mon 17 Apr 2006 @ 10:32	Re: Zoom Lens Change or Not ?! Post #71
Leon Kelberman	Oh come of it lads you even join the CLUB or carry a suitcase full of lenses. Remember when the Zoom lens first came out (No it was not at the turn of the Century) you guess which one, anyway zoom lenses was slice bread to cameras. Any way that it what I was told. Aso a zoom projection lens on a projector was a real boon. Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 17 Apr 2006 @ 17:55	Re: Zoom Lens Change or Not ?! Post #72
Justin Roberts	We jest Leon! Its just the phrase conjures up all sorts of images of smoken laden down town streets where the pavement is always damp and mangey curs rustle, squeal and fight amongst the bins and skips of human detritus for fetid scraps. Down some dark alley, there stands a man in cloak and low brimmed hat, his figure distorted by the multitude of phallic ojects of desire that are strapped closely to his frame. He is, The Goon Lens Maker! Justin. IP : Logged
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Mon 17 Apr 2006 @ 22:26	Re: Zoom Lens Change or Not ?! Post #73
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin, Your English is improving, and you will soon have the problem that no one understands you, but thats alright, as there are not many of us left these days. So keep up the good work to show you can take and give it, but don't leave it. Best witches Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 17 Apr 2006 @ 22:26
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Fri 21 Apr 2006 @ 23:02	Re: photos on to canvas? Post #74
Leon Kelberman	Gosh digital inky images, co the the photo paint masters must be peeved, the could have made a fortune at the turn of the century (1899-1900), or ealier. Just think what would of happened to the Daguerreotypes and the Album phototypess.also the Crystoleums. Are Science is a wonderful thing, but it has made many photographers redundant. Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 21 Apr 2006 @ 23:05	Re: I need your advices Post #75
Leon Kelberman	Hi Val You do not say what you do, ie experiance and what you learnt in photography. Leon. IP : Logged
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Fri 21 Apr 2006 @ 23:12	Re: Good courses Post #76
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin I see that thet you have seen the light, (Sorry no pun intended0. WhenI first used a digital camera in the early 90's, I then realised that this is a very powerful alterenative to the camera film industry, and it will certainly make a big diference in the world of of image taking. So to use an expressionof the Potter syndrome of tehj Singing Detectivem 'Am I right or ami right'. Le4on IP : Logged
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Sat 22 Apr 2006 @ 16:55	Re: Good courses Post #77
Justin Roberts	Err...... No mention of digital there Leon! In fact I am more convinced than ever that I should stick to MF for a good while yet. Couple of recent incidents have convinced me of this but too boring to go into the details here. Mind you I shall be taking the digital abroad with me over the next few days, purely for reasons of convenience. All the best Justin. IP : Logged
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Sun 23 Apr 2006 @ 12:04	Re: Good courses Post #78
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin I did not mention Digital because I though it would be obvious that it more in meaning with image making. I do realise that it is not fully there yet, but remember it took over one hundred years to reach this standard, Digital took less but it did have the space age to help it along. It is howver usable and if we take to exposures of the same subject, using the differnt forms of image making, could we tell the difference and whiich woul be better. I see that my Spelling is getting worse, must be the typewiter keys they seem to get very close to each other, still must press on. I see that Daniel has not come back to us, perhaps we too old and do not know what is going on. I would tell to ask the Lecturers, Tutors, Instuctors, or any of the Gurus who teach photography, 'WHAT IS ON OFFER FOR ME TO TAKE A PHOTOGRAPHIC COURSE IN YOUR. educational establishment. If he's got any sense and undersatands the Industry he will say NOTHING, go study an other discipline. Best wishes to all those who do a photographic course and get a job. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 23 Apr 2006 @ 12:08	Re: Job Vacancy: Audiovisual Resources Assistant (Still Image), Amnesty International. Post #79
Leon Kelberman	Hello If you play your cards right you might getb you hair don. Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 1 May 2006 @ 13:20	Re: I Am Always Networking Post #80
Leon Kelberman	Hi all With all these superlatives I am surprised that we have time to do any work to keep the bailiffs from getting in, I always thought that the net work was for sending and receiving volumes of work, well that what i used for at one time, and of course not forgetting Crib and Chess when time permitted. And of course sending messages like now, In suppose I have got into that habit, anyway my excuse is that I do not work, so what the hell, let's write a volume.... Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 14 May 2006 @ 22:51	Re: What's the BJP for / just don't read this troll :) Post #81
Leon Kelberman	Hi All I used to read the BJ to look for a 'Positions in Photography' or vacancies in phhotography, and there were HUNDREDS, well it looked like it, now perhaps one or two. I used to write letters to the BJ on cuurant events that appeared in the Journal, and some time got an article published, and to my surprise got paid money, the olny trouble is that I cannnot write very well, and i'ts not my best point. Now as you all know the number of vacancies are very few. and photographic criteria is changing so thjat no body appears to know what is happening in the photographic world. So newcomers beware the wrath of the Digital Cybermen. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 19 May 2006 @ 23:54	Re: Family History Post #82
Leon Kelberman	Sorry I seem tyo have my wires crossed. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Fri 19 May 2006 @ 23:54
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Mon 22 May 2006 @ 16:41	Re: Has the photo industry taken its eye off the pro market? Post #83
Leon Kelberman	Hi Mr. Moderator I do think that the photographic industry is going into a massive turmoil of what to do about the new convention of DIGITAL Imaging, there appears on not what we should FOCUS on but how can we keep the FILM and processing units systems going. AND ignore the new technology that has only been around for the past fifteen years and is gaining and improving every day. The EDUCATION of the new technology is being ignored and the old methods are continued to be taught., BUT unless the Digital imaging is to beaccepted the main sufferes will be the new students of Photography. Over the past fifteen years since the first digital camera ap[peared, with about half a million pixels or less and considered a passing fase, no film, therefore no darkroom needed. no processing no printing in facto no nothing but a computer and printer and if course paper. what have we got now took conventional photography 150 years to achieve. In the meantime the reqirements of photgraphy has changed, photoghraphers have disappeared ( or there are no joba available for the thousand of students who do photographic courses). I have seen photographic work being produced by non photographers but by staff in many applications where at one time a photogra wass used, for example , the photographing of houses for estate agents , another would be students producing photographs for their thesis, and there are many more where photographers are no longer used for photographic work. So Mr Moderator , spending money on equpment or any other type of necrssities that may have been used or considered a boon fifty years ago such as print processor would no longer be required. It is only a matter if time when the Digital imaging process will get better as is happening in the paper and camera areas, and in the mean time the teaching needs a good overhaul. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 28 May 2006 @ 18:08	Re: Film prices rocket Post #84
Leon Kelberman	Hi All Well Gentlermen it was bound to happen as the number of film users get less and the less the film companies sell, it stands to reason that they are not going to spend time and money making film that people do not buy. As I did explain that this was bound to happen and remember that the Amateur Market was the biggest user of film and the photographic process. It is now just a question of timw when the last maker of film ends. I do now think that the Educators of photography will have a good applications for future students learning the subject. The main problem will be what is going to happen in the photograopic and how will the future users will be able to FOCUS on it or willit become transparent. As I have on many occaisons try to explain the way that the photographic industry has been changing and not for the Photographer. I would be interested in othere serious thoughts on this subject, maybe from students of photography. Best wishes Leon. IP : Logged
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Mon 29 May 2006 @ 22:35	Re: Film prices rocket Post #85
Justin Roberts	Absoloutly Leon. In fact, so desperate are Ilford to rid themselves of the vast mountain of unshifted stock that they are giving away a film with every newstand copy of BJP next Week, which is of no comfort to us poor subscribers though. Not only that, but the mag is so out of touch with current trends that they partnering Ilford in a comp to win a further 365 rolls! Which again is probably not a lot of good to us MF folk either (What have we MF subscribers done wrong?) But it does go to show just how much that nice young Mr Bainbridge needs your good advice Mr Kelberman, and pronto! Actually, it is good to see a film company actually promoting the medium at last, rather than jumping around like half brained rabbits in front of the digital juggernaut. Justin. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 29 May 2006 @ 22:35
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Tue 30 May 2006 @ 0:26	Re: Film prices rocket Post #86
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin Don't get me wrong, I liked the Photographic system very well and got on quite well with it it, I even saved the fix to recover (Recycled) the silver and made about £60 one year, that's when Bunker-Hunt tried to take over the SILVER market. I even sent an article to the BJP on a method for Silver Recovery and it was printed and actuall got paid money, trouble is that I have not written any thing since. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 30 May 2006 @ 16:08	Re: Is flash photography a hazard? Post #87
Leon Kelberman	Yes If you use magnesium powder in a bowl with a puffer and matches, and keep you eyebrows clear of the big flame. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 30 May 2006 @ 16:08
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Tue 30 May 2006 @ 22:52	Re: Is flash photography a hazard? Post #88
Justin Roberts	Seems it's just you and me then Leon, no one else about. So, er, taken any nice piccies lately? Justin. IP : Logged
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Wed 31 May 2006 @ 12:13	Re: Is flash photography a hazard? Post #89
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin Yes I took my grandson to the Tower, very expensive to go around, 75% of the exhibits have gone, and there are large partitions dividing the floors up, so it appears that the floors are smaller and has passways to the next set of exhibits. There used to be about a hundred cannons between the waters edge and the wall of the tower and have all gone. I did speak to one of the attendants and asked how long had she been there, (she replied since 8.30 this morning). No I said at the Tower she said about 10 years, I asked where is all the Armoury, gone to leeds so as to encourage Tourists to move naround the country, but the Brits wont do that. I lived in East London during my early years and visited the Tower about three times a month, and in the hot weather even bathed in the Thames at low tide, out side the Traitors Gate as that had a sandy beach. I did work for some time at The Post Office and the British Museum, and learnt to improve my photograph of the Antiqus and Fine Arts, Manuscripts, but there was one item I remember Photographing was the Harris List of Covent Garden Girls for 1793, well worth the read, many years later I came across a copy at a remainders book shop and it was only a couple quid. Most of the shots that I take now is purley for fun, just to keep my hand and it's all digital as I do not have facilites for processing, which is some ways better because I always trid to produce the best print. I did go to Norfolk for a week, and phttographed some birds but I wll have to get a SLR with a bit more of what I know. I did take an old couple in winter clobber eating ice cream , I suppose that they felt that they had thave it, because they were at the SEA-SIDE. Any way, hope I havn't bored you too much. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 31 May 2006 @ 22:09	Re: Will Wombell put Hereford festival on the map? Post #90
Colin Gaunt	I agree, John. (BTW, the Mappe Mundi at the cathedral is one of several copies) That part of the country is very much under appreciated. Leon said in another thread, where he asked about the Tower of London's cannons - "I asked where is all the Armoury, gone to leeds so as to encourage Tourists to move naround the country, but the Brits wont do that." So I don't know who is going to advance into the depths of Herefordshire to see photographs. I love finding myself in ancient places that can't have changed for centuries. Hereford itself is like any other small town these days, infected with the usual dross outlets. But there are villages and churchyards around there that transport one back in time. Er... Don't go! There are wolves and snakes there! *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* email me *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* IP : Logged  |  Edited: Wed 31 May 2006 @ 22:09
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Thu 1 Jun 2006 @ 10:44	Re: Is flash photography a hazard? Post #91
Leon Kelberman	Oh dear !!!, Did thee know that North Norfolk is a learned place for " Bird Watching" and guess what , 'Twitchers', so take your pick Simon. Perhaps I shpould mention Plumes and Beaks and Paws but they should be Talons. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 1 Jun 2006 @ 12:20	Re: Film prices rocket Post #92
Leon Kelberman	Hi I would like to make it clear that I no longer use Film, becos that I find Digital better to use as I don't to use a need a darkroom, any more. And as for your cameras, send them to the camera saint "Silva de Halado" in the sky.. Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 2 Jun 2006 @ 1:48	Re: Film prices rocket Post #93
Walter Glover	Michael Hoban said: "The fact is, for me, the 2 systems can work side by side, neither exclusive." Amen to that Michael! I fully accept the proposition of leon who says that his preference for digital is based on limitations of his facilities. But to suggest that digital (capture) is some sort of heaven-sent 'one-size fits all' solution is more a sign of the expectations of the person making the claim. I still shoot 4x5 film and will continue to do so for a number of reasons: Adaptability of the camera Greater resolution of extremely fine detail at great range Longevity without concern for changing technology In B&W greater control of dynamic range Since relocating I have only been able to scan my negs and print on an Epson R2400. The results are less than overwhelming in some regards and so this very weekend I am resurrecting one of my Durst L1200s in order to go back to the lush glow of the silver image. Nevertheless, there are none so blind as those who will not (can not) see and often this impairment is largely directed by fiscal investment. I repeat my mantra: With the advent of digital the photographer's tool box expanded in the range of techniques and possibilites achievable. ____________ Walter Glover IP : Logged
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Fri 2 Jun 2006 @ 21:14	Re: website review if you would please Post #94
Leon Kelberman	Hi Theo, You write the quota below "42 people reading this posting and nobody offering to help! Thank you VERY MUCH!" As a matter of interest what do you want us to say about your posting. You must remember that the year is 2006, and photography is not being as it was in 1960,1970, 1980 etc. moods have changed, the manufactoring industry in this country has virtually, dissapeared and many companies no longer have photographic requirements, and of course the introduction od The Digital Image, and the dying out of the Photographic negative. The main problem is there are many photographers who are unemployed and to be quite honest many do not know what to do, so that could be why they cannot tell you what to do, or what type of replies you want from your web site. When I was teaching photographic Studentsm my teaching would ask the students what they thought they had photographed, and what they thought of it. (well it was the student who took the photograph), we then go from there. Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 2 Jun 2006 @ 21:26	Re: Film prices rocket Post #95
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin I did not know that RE is still being made, in my youth I rode a two wheeler for years, Francis-Barnet, Vespa, Lambretta, Triumph but gave up after coming to a dead stop on the new Francis-Barnet, I'm sure there was fault with it some where in the new model. After waking up in hospital after 3 days and another thre days think properly, I decided to giv it all up. I suppose I'ts like Digital and film, grain and pixels. Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 2 Jun 2006 @ 21:42	Re: Film prices rocket Post #96
Justin Roberts	Leon If you'd like to bring your digi thingie up to Banbury on the 18th there is a large gathering of vintage two wheelers that is quite renowned for some of the rarities it attracts. Beats Lancastrian morris dancers anyway, or even tractors! Well not the latter perhaps but I'm trying to widen the old reportoire. Justin. IP : Logged
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Thu 8 Jun 2006 @ 12:47	Re: Need a make-up artist? Post #97
Leon Kelberman	Hi Wen you tjhink of it they always get things the wrong way round, I have been told that the bathwater goes the opposite way. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 8 Jun 2006 @ 12:50	Re: Film prices rocket Post #98
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin, That brings back some memories, used to go there because the pub was open all day. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 15 Jun 2006 @ 15:57	Re: Any advice RE jobs.... Post #99
Leon Kelberman	Hi Jon I think you will find it very difficult to find any work in the UK. Most of the Newspapers train there own photographers from an early age, and the local papers do take on c. Newspapers have always been on their owasual phoographers and are freelance as they do not emply photographers on a permanent basis. Photography in other areas are very few vacancies and this can be found in the facts of job advertisments in the BJP which was the employmrnt bureau of the photographic trade, and the encyclopedia of the young graduates with their various degrees and honours plus. As you may know that the Digital revolution has now encapsulated the photographic systems and less photographers are needed to do the work as computers have been installed in the work place so has the digital cameras, scanners and not forgetting the Mobile Phone, which is now the Box Camera BUTY is small enough to fit in your top pocket. Not much more to say, Photography has joined the Dockers, Newspaper staff who produced the newspaper workers,Coal miners, Car workers Etc, Etc, I suppose you could be a plummer or electrician, or even bricklayer. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 15 Jun 2006 @ 16:39	Re: This forum Post #100
Leon Kelberman	Hi all You know it was bound to happen. When Digital imaging first started to appear to appear, no one took it seriously and many photographers thought it was just the phase of some nut cases. But if we look back to the space age, we started to see images (pictures) of the planets and there was one theat I can remember most vividly was the Rings around Saturn. Enhancing came the word that I felt could be used time and time again. How many times has areas of photographs the we had taken could be 'Enhanced' make worth while. But know we have come full cicle in 1900 there was over a million people working in photography, they were all employed in portraitue, so that the Public could have pictures of themselves, and not have to spend a fortune on a painter, then came the Box Camera this gave the public the means to take what they liked. Photography continued to 'Improve' in the 20th. Century, Film emulsions, got better finer grain, 35mm cameras took over from the bulky 54's and the 6x6 became more of the camer for the professional. Colour was taking a new lease of life as it was now becoming part of our daily lives in magazine and posters. Photographic eduaction was tasking part in City & Guilds offering courses in photography and giving qualifications, The Institute of British Photography, and the learned Society 'Roual Photographic Society all offering photographic goodies. Then the Univercities, Colleges all stated to give photographic courses, now we got to the situatuon taht there would thousands of student photographers all offering the services . Now we must remember that Digital Imaging is now on the scene. Film has become the Memory card to store the images and Grain has now become the Pixel. Cameras are getting better and cheaper. Quality is also getting good and many students and workers in many areas are taking images, when at an earlier time photographers were use to take the Images (Photographs) Photograohy started about 1830 and has gone a long way and it is now 2006, Film will become a past producer for taking Photographs (Images). Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 15 Jun 2006 @ 23:33	Re: Is fashion photography art? Post #101
Leon Kelberman	Sorry Mr BJP Moderator My answer would be NO, because The photographer is photographing a DRESS or other such apparal that is usually worn by Females, Males, and Children, that have been designed by A Designer, who has Models of either sex, to parade up & down a 'Cat Walk', so that the Designer can sell his or her work, ie clothes. It appears that every photographic display of gathering of people to look at some performance has to be photograped, anf the more bizarre it appears to be causes and even more bizaree of photographs or images. Using the current expressions of the Fashion is toget the vision in FOCUS and TRANSPARENT which must have been spoken thousands of times a week. Well educators soon there will be many more words of the photographic Industry which are svailable , Let's get them all in APERTURE, or use some of best of the from the film users guide in the gfossary. We must EXPOSE IT LONGER, then we will see what DEVELOPS and RISE and FIX IT, then WASH for One Hour to make it last, of course we could tone it. The mind Boggle. Photography is changing. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 15 Jun 2006 @ 23:39	Re: Any advice RE jobs.... Post #102
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin Jon should take heed of your advice as it is well and truly justified. Leon IP : Logged
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Sat 17 Jun 2006 @ 21:39	Re: This forum Post #103
Justin Roberts	I thought I'd beat Leon to pointing out that, unfortunately, they don't really need to. Justin. IP : Logged
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Thu 22 Jun 2006 @ 15:29	Re: Put photos onto stretched canvas with inkjet printer Post #104
Leon Kelberman	Hi Apainting in 5 minutes, gosh who wants to sit around for hours on end, One quick shot of the pixel and woof it's there, whatever will they think of next, Photographs. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 22 Jun 2006 @ 23:42	Re: Canon sticks with film Post #105
Leon Kelberman	Hi Mr Moderator, All this talk about Film Use is purly academic, and for the use of film, there must be other conditions that must exist, Which are these:- Use of Film Chemicals to Process the film Photographic porinting Paper Also Chemicals to process the print paper Peronel who have the ability to provide the finished prints. And of course there is a viable niche to make the whole criteria worthwhile , so that the company does not go broke. But it must be remebered that Digital imaging is being used more and more and soonerr or later the use of film Will not be Viable. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 22 Jun 2006 @ 23:51	Re: Canon sticks with film Post #106
Walter Glover	Leon, Predictable to say the very least. Do you think that you can turn the page of the hymn book and sing something else - it's getting like Golden Oldie Radio. I am sure that a man of your experience has more to talk about and more advice to offer. Cheers, ____________ Walter Glover IP : Logged
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Fri 23 Jun 2006 @ 0:17	Re: Canon sticks with film Post #107
Leon Kelberman	Hi Walter It's not me who needs to turn the page but the BJP Moderator, He asks us to think about the statement that Cannon will continue to make FILM. I am meerly stating that Canon will Have to cease to make FILM. You and I know That this so, and what is really needed is a study of "How will photography carry on ?" The whole area of Education and the work place in the photographic Industr in the 21st Century. Every one is wondering what is going to happen, and as I worked as a Photographer in an area of various subjects of photographs needed for many disceplines, I could see the way that Digital image could take over from the FILM era. I would say that the most important way to move forward would be a disscussion on the FUTURE of Photography and how to train in the Industry. Leon IP : Logged
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Sat 24 Jun 2006 @ 8:25	Re: Canon sticks with film Post #108
Michael Hoban	Leon............Canon dont make film. IP : Logged
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Sat 24 Jun 2006 @ 16:12	Re: Canon sticks with film Post #109
Leon Kelberman	Hi Michael Sorry about the misleading you , But the Moderator did have the heading that ----- "TITLE Canon sticks with FILM" BUT if the are going to continue to making 'FILM' cameras some company has got to make the Film, so do they know something I don't know. Any way what the font being so tiny it's not suprising that I get things wrong. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Sat 24 Jun 2006 @ 16:12
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Sat 24 Jun 2006 @ 16:16	Re: Is fashion photography art? Post #110
Leon Kelberman	Oh come off it Walter He's good for a laugh and we do know what is what. Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 27 Jun 2006 @ 22:20	Re: This Forum round 2 - grumpyoldmen.com Post #111
Leon Kelberman	Hi everyone I do think that we should think of Forum as new 'FORUM', because the status quo of photography has changed. It is now The Digital Image Maker or taker, and we should start thinking on those lines, the entire photographic system on how we photographed images has altered, if we look at the begining of the 19th. Century, Eastman produce the 'You take the Picture and we do the rest. The Portrait Studuios that started to close down increase to 90% by the end of the 50's & 60's. Education in photography, was offered Degrees in photography, prior to this in the from about 20's to 50's , there was a limited form of photographic courses, City and Guilds London Institute, Which also many other Trade courses, as thre were very few qualified photographers around, it was later that the photographer came into existance. I do not include the Photographers that produce Photographs for Exhibitions a nd Photographic Journals as they ere not emplyed. During the time that I really remember was about 1960 when many vacancies appeared in the BJP, every week, 5 to 6 pages of jobs on offer, hindreds and hundreds all offering different type of work, that I did not know existed. Museums, Hospitals and Universities, Newspapers, Printers you name some one took photgraphs. And if we look at the last 20 years, look at the number of industries that have become obselete, and changed using modern scientific tecniques and less people to do the work. The Civil Service emplyed about 600, thousands in Hospitals and Universities and may others. So what have we now:- There are less vacancies for Phgotographic is less photographs needed ? . There are many more students taking photographic courses, what can the photographic industry offer them. It really needs a complete overhaul and the the Education of photography needs to be remodelled and modernise to understand the concept of Taking Images (Photographs). and unless this is taken seriously. It won't be GRUMPYOLDMEN BUTNOPIKKIESFORANYONE Leon . IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 27 Jun 2006 @ 22:20
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Tue 27 Jun 2006 @ 22:27	Re: Canon sticks with film Post #112
Leon Kelberman	Hi Horace I make my own Bread ,BUT would not make Film or paper, with all those hidden chemicals and then the processing. I don't think so. Got to rush I smell the bread starting to Loaf. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 27 Jun 2006 @ 22:27
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Tue 4 Jul 2006 @ 15:58	Re: basic photography syllabus and learning outcome Post #113
Leon Kelberman	Hi fareed Photography syllabuses, Learning Cuves, The Way Ahead in uk, in the UK should be changing and so should the Photographic Teachings should also in in Canada and the US. Its is just a matter of thime and how the Photographic learners tend to do their teaching, or what ever. Asyou may know that the photographic system is changing and the way that is taught, will be out of date, because the DIGITAL way of life will be among us, no matter how 'We' may resist it. Now is the time for the ENTREPRENEURS TO SORT OUT THE NEW SYLIABUSES, so that the new students of photography can LEARN and use the Digital Imagree, and move over as soon as possible. Every student shoild ask their TUTORS what has photography to offer them and will they get emplyment in photography. because I doubt if there is any future in it. Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 4 Jul 2006 @ 16:04	Re: Is fashion photography art? Post #114
Leon Kelberman	Not bad, do you know any more? IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 4 Jul 2006 @ 16:04
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Wed 5 Jul 2006 @ 16:08	Re: basic photography syllabus and learning outcome Post #115
Leon Kelberman	The main trouble is that if some wants to spend their money on dreams that is one thing, BUT to learn about taking photographs of vitually any and every thing ,b then you have to know a bit more on how to. I'ts not only photography that gets singled, but other subjects come and go in trends. During the last few years it was Fashion Designing, every body jumps on the band wagon. The main reason being that we do not have a teaching programme for young people that are needed to make the ifostructure to work properly. Now ther are many trades just thrown to together and are called Skills, and Learning Curves which are blended together and usede for Tradesmen. When they started dishing out DEGREES as a PHOTOGRAPHIC Qualification and there bare now over 100 Colleges, Universities, that offer these BA, BSc. etc. BUT there is one basic fact that they all lack, THERE IS NO PRACTCAL KNOWLEDGE OFFERED. This could be why Photogrphy is singled out. Also there are not as many places of work that could take on the number of students that will need to know, what does happen when they try to run a photographic business. And once again how will the digital imaging be brought to make the photographic system continue to work and make it work using trained personel as did with old Photographic process. Also there are people out there who mess with words so that 'FOCUS' will lose it's meaning by the tautologists, who go around looking for words to kill off. IP : Logged
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Wed 5 Jul 2006 @ 17:42	Re: Is fashion photography art? Post #116
Leon Kelberman	I am glad that they have different sence, because that could make nonsense that could differ. Fine Arts could be any thing that is ARTY course you know what could Course arty, because you know what that is. When is a lens not a lens is when it is a pinhole, maybe formed by a digital system, but that coud be painting with a light stick or light but not heavy. Enough of this banter I nust go get the Chicken. on the scooter. Byee. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Wed 5 Jul 2006 @ 17:42
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Wed 5 Jul 2006 @ 20:55	Re: basic photography syllabus and learning outcome Post #117
Horace Ward	Goodness,Leon,you must have put on your disguise and infiltrated some of these colleges,stoke,Uni's.In fact,it's the same conclusion I've come tone student described to me using the words 'failed journalists' towards the tutors.That's saying something. Most times they were not seen for days upon end.What field experience do they have themselves.If the truth were to be known,I expect many a college student could tell a few tales. Im sure many colleges do have excellent tutors,but from my years in the trade,to get on in this world,it's who you know and rub shoulders with in photography that opens doors.But hasn't that always been the case. Photography and the gift of the gab rub shoulders.Not for the faint hearted.But then we are going over old ground here. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Wed 5 Jul 2006 @ 20:55
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Wed 5 Jul 2006 @ 22:09	Re: basic photography syllabus and learning outcome Post #118
Leon Kelberman	Hi Horace It's not really old ground but these so called ACADEMICS are dealing with young peoples lives and it's about time that the Photopgraphic Industry and the educators sould start thinking about the future of photography. When I was working in a photographic Technician I had to photograph virtually any subject what so ever, and if I could'nt thre was hell to pay. I am sure that all these new recruits whom leave with their degrees, have not a clue, you have only to look a their web sites to see what the say they can do. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 13 Jul 2006 @ 16:44	Re: Nick Knight Post #119
Leon Kelberman	Hi go to a search engine and type in Nick Knight in the box then click on the SREARCH and presto he should come up. if he does not then He can' be noticed. I am not known and I come up. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Thu 13 Jul 2006 @ 16:44
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Sat 22 Jul 2006 @ 22:53	Re: Untitled thread Post #120
Leon Kelberman	Gosh!! Double WOW !! IP : Logged
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Sat 22 Jul 2006 @ 23:03	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #121
Leon Kelberman	Hi John Your Name and english sound quite good, but to tell you the truth the cances of you getting a job in the UK will not be very good. The Photography Industry has changed during the last 30 years, and the number of photographic vacancies has virtually disappeared. Digital Imaging has made the big Difference that has occured. The UK at the moment are offering Poles the vacancies of Electricians and Plumbers as there are very few skilled tradesman in this country. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 27 Jul 2006 @ 23:25	Gloomy News for Industry (Photographic) Post #122
Leon Kelberman	I see that this item printed in this weeks BJP. A shortened Version. Nearly a quarter of the UK's top 200 photographic businesses are facing financial collapse, a recent survey claims. I see that no real information is being offered, and tells us about "23% companies are at high financial risk". Job losses and cost cutting are essential neasures IF these comapanies are to survive. But all is not gloom, Plimsol reports that the fiscal performance of more than 50% of the of the companies were GOOD or STRONG. Now comes the Punch Line 'The survey costs £350.00'. I wonder what they were talking about, is it film dying out, are students going to learn new methods, or what ever and I wonder who would buy their survey. Perhaps the BJP could let us in on the act. Leon Kelberman IP : Logged  |  Edited: Thu 27 Jul 2006 @ 23:25
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Thu 27 Jul 2006 @ 23:30	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #123
Leon Kelberman	Hi Mr Crofts I will Just give you a few facts about PHOTOGRAPHY:- This country has over 100 Photographic Coursees Organised by many Univercities and Colleges through out the Land, this can only mean that there arevthousands of STUDENTS WITH A PHOTOGRAPHIC Qualification, Now I wonder if they will get a Vacancy in working in photography. The only magazine really that offers photographic positions is the BJP, just count the adverts for 1 month and work out how many of the students can get a job in Photography. An so Mr.Crofts if you know something I do not know, I am sure that many of the students who have been doing their stint in for photographic Degrees etc. would like you to tell them, that there are hundreds of vacancies in Photography just waiting to be filled. So you see that we cannot offer photographic Vacancies to photograpers no matter where they come from. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Thu 27 Jul 2006 @ 23:30
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Fri 28 Jul 2006 @ 8:55	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #124
Craig Zendel	Leon, While I am fiscally aware that we have more and more photographers competing for a slice of an ever shrinking cake, I don't believe this means, "we cannot offer photographic Vacancies to photograpers no matter where they come from." Staff jobs do exist. Freelance work is available. It may not be as well paid as plumbing, but having pointed out the reality, I would not wish to discourage anyone from trying to make a career in a profession that can take you to places, meet people and enhance life that few other jobs can rival. Sure, it takes guts, persistence, talent (usually;¬) and luck, but it is achievable, if only for a few. Ease back on the doom, you never know, you could inspire the next Salgado. CraigZ IP : Logged
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Fri 28 Jul 2006 @ 10:57	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #125
Leon Kelberman	Hi Craig O I can ease back on the doom and I can say that Tomorrow will be another day, but what will follow? The way that photographic industry has changed is simolar to the way that newspapers are produced/ The press say lets go digital, so what we gotta do?. Well we must get rid of all the workers who produce the way that that papers are made, so we get rid of the Lyonotypers, compositers,office boys, typist pool, the etchers, and photographers who produce the plates and the rest of the back room boys. We thenstart scanning in the photographs via the airways, all script is typed by word processing via the reporters and then spell cheked hence no spelling mistakes. AND hey presto who needs a technical workforce to run a paper. The lads who did the Technical work were made redundant and could not get a job in printing, because there are none. The real answer to this problem is for the educational photographers to sort out what would be in the interests of the young people who want to do Photography. You say that Staff jobs do exist BUT WHERE and how much experience is needed, also working fo Frewlancwes can be dodgy they may nt oeven pay you so be ware. Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 28 Jul 2006 @ 12:54	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #126
Leon Kelberman	Hi Mr Croft. Oh dear I am 'patronising implication (refer to dictionary) that, because he is Polish he should become a plumber or electrician.' for which there are many vacancies. But there are NO photographic vacancies that you appear to ignore. And witha name like John Lange. I would never have thought that he come from Poland, So where am I being Offensive in telling Mr. Lange That there are very few vacancies for photgraphers in the UK, and have been for some years. and you failed to offer a solution to the problem And I woiuld also suggest to any one who wanted to earn a living in photography, to do something else, because the future is grim. Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 28 Jul 2006 @ 13:28	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #127
Michael Hoban	Leon, no one on here will ever doubt your commitment to your cause, but do you honestly think anyone is going to read your post and say to themselves..'Hold on Leons got a point there, There are no jobs so I may as well give up on my ambition and become a plumber'?. All you seem to want to do is discourage people from even trying (are you an ex teacher by chance) You continually say 'No Jobs' Its Not Worth it' 'Do something else', maybe you could instead offer encouragement to those seeking a career to go out and improve their picture taking in order to better their chances of making it?, you are not exactly doing anyone a favour by using a Photography forum to tell everyone to give up on Photography and do something else. Every one knows a degree in Photography is not worth the paper it is laser copied onto. If someone has a passion for their craft, and produces good images, they will get work, it may not be as an employee, but they WILL get work as a freelancer. If I was starting over, I would still have my passion for Photography, but instead of studying Dentistry, ( A solid lifelong job, fantastic money, well worth the 7 years of studying hard) I would instead study Image Communications, Picture Research and Archiving, maybe Picture Editing, or Conservation, maybe CAD or Television work, the point being there are LOTS of jobs in 'Imaging' that require a passion for images and imaging. IP : Logged
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Fri 28 Jul 2006 @ 22:38	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #128
Leon Kelberman	Hi Micheal Thanks for your reply and I will say that itis honest critism, But I would like to see where can study and find a position for what they trained for, if at a later stage they want to try a different profession then fare enough. I have been very luckyI was emplyed from 1963 to 2000 in a photographic enviroment, I worked in the Post Office Printing, Photographing many of the areas that photographs were needed, I should say that thePO photographic no longer exists, I then went th British Museum, that really was a good place to work with all the Exhibits being photographed, and my photographic portfolio vastly improved. I saw an advert for a medical reseach unit, and started work with photomicroscopy and scientif as wll as the normal run of photographic work. after 20 years a new peofessor and I was made redundant. Six moths of partime work on any thing, now come the hankerchiefs I had a wife and two kids,. I eventually got back into Photography, as I was being supplied with vacant position from my last place of work of which I was nost grateful by the personel office. I thensaw a photographer vacancy and applied for it in a jniversity again as a one man band. I stayed and for 12 years and then retired, during my time there I stated going into Digital Imaging and it was very difficult, no one knew about it, but the photographers had to know. When I left4 photographers became 2, and the amount of film base photography graduall got less and less, also the number of photographers who working became fewer, as I said I was very lucky to continue the type of work that I enjoyed and find it very sad that it has changed so much. Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 1 Aug 2006 @ 12:43	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #129
Leon Kelberman	Hi So 'Mr' Nadim Younas (John Lange) This is all a HOAX. Unfortunately this is not so much of a HOAX but a part of peoples lives, many students take course to further their education not to wind other people who do have some experience in what to offer young people. The more interesting thing that has come out of this is the Polish Goverment are trying to persuade Poles who have left their country to return to Poland and work there to make their country better. It is estamated that there are 230,000 Poles in th Uk plus amany others, Daily Telergaph 01/08/02. IP : Logged
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Tue 1 Aug 2006 @ 12:50	Re: A snapshot of society Post #130
Leon Kelberman	Hi When Mr , Mrs, and Ms Public, were told by Mr Eastman 'You pull the string. and we do the rest'. Made us a snapshot Society. It now includes Telephones ans web cams on the computer, so here oit is to stay. Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 1 Aug 2006 @ 16:00	Re: A snapshot of society Post #131
Simon Crofts	Leon, all photographers take snapshots. It is what a camera does, take a picture in the framework of 1/125. Perhaps that is your point, but I don't see it as a bad thing. Justin, speaking as someone who enjoys, and does, street photography, I couldn't tell you whether people are more or less wary of having their picture taken, having only taken up photography relatively recently. However, I'd be surprised if people are getting more wary. My general impression is that most people like having their picture taken. I virtually never sense hostility. Actually it depends how you do it, there are offensive ways to take pictures and there are inoffensive ways. Often if people think that you are trying to take a picture sneakily, then they might not like it. Also, using a long lense to me smacks of spying. And if you're obviously taking a picture to show someone in a bad light, perhaps someone who is begging or disadvantaged, that to me is unpleasant and unnecessary, unless there is a specific photojournalistic reason to take the picture. I have only once been asked by someone why I took their picture, suspicious of the motives. That was in Kiev. When I explained it to them, they were extremely friendly, and they explained that they had just been arrested and released by the police, and were feeling a bit paranoid. To me the street photography as acute observations of daily life are one of the richest veins of photography: I'm sorry, but I find the vast majority of photographs of inanimate things two dimensional by comparison. Photographing life around us introduces the third dimension of time, and also a two-way relationship between the object that is being photographed and the photographer. Excellent portraits can do the same thing, but a good street photograph can have an extra bit of electricity, a different kind of dynamic. Belittle all that if you want to, but for me, and often I believe for the subject, it's exciting. http://www.croftsphoto.com IP : Logged
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Tue 1 Aug 2006 @ 16:40	Re: A snapshot of society Post #132
Leon Kelberman	Hi I'm merely stating that over the pas150 years of photography many people have been using cameras of sorts to produce images. Hence a snapshot society, I am not making any agenda but a fact of life. What one does with that image depends on where it goes and what it is meant for and who accepts it. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 1 Aug 2006 @ 16:40
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Tue 1 Aug 2006 @ 16:40	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #133
Simon Crofts	Leon, not all of us can have your true blue 100% English blood. Sometimes it's necessary to let them foreigners in. Anyway I'm a Brit photographer living in Poland, and why not Poles working in Britain? In fact Krakow is absolutely overrun with blimmin' Brits, you can't spit on the streets without offending one. But I've never been made to feel unwelcome by Poles. Incidentally, reportedly wages for building workers in Warsaw are getting higher than in the UK, 'cos there's a shortage of them... http://www.croftsphoto.com IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 1 Aug 2006 @ 16:40
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Mon 7 Aug 2006 @ 20:54	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #134
Leon Kelberman	Hi All I do find that it is very sad when young people who asks about vacancies in photography, because every one who is working in the photographic area, know what the situation is like.To be BLUNT, there really is nothing available and to offer any form of hope to the prrson who is applying for a job. I know that they may never work in the Photographic area. I posted an entry of this report ' GLOOMY NEWS FOR INDUSTRY', in the forum and there were 300 Forum Readers who looked at it, and not ONE reader of the FORUM had any thing to say about it. I did not write this report because it was printed in the BJP. After reading this report and seeing the situation of the photographic industry loosing many of it's 'Personel', why is that NO ONE is taking any NOTICE of what is happening, to Young people who want to become photographers, BUT as the way that they are being taught and the innovations of DIGITAL imaging becoming they way to take 'Photography'. I wonder how many of the photographers will offer a position to a young person a position to work in their outfit. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 7 Aug 2006 @ 20:54
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Tue 8 Aug 2006 @ 19:12	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #135
Michael Hoban	Leon, for fear of repeating myself, You dont need to be 'employed' to be have a sucessfull career in Photography. You need more beef to your argument other than 'no jobs in the BJP'. That is because advertisers know nobody reads the BJP!. On the whole 'Imaging' vacancies are all insider jobs these days anyway. I am in the process of finding an Archivist to run my Library, I will not be asking for a worthless degree, but I will be looking for ambition and enthusiasm. Following your advice, nobody would even bother applying, because 'Photography' is dead and there is no future in it for anyone'. I think, maybe, nobody replied to you because they see you are a lone voice, you are passionate about your cause, whatever that may be, good for you, but as you said, no one is really taking any notice. IP : Logged
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Tue 8 Aug 2006 @ 23:42	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #136
Leon Kelberman	Hi Michae Hope you are keeping well, this is just a prelim to butter you up Huh. I am not just saying employed but actually taking photographs to make living, whether you are freelance or otherwise into it, take your pick. I have never said that Photography is dead but the the way of producing images has changed, I was probably one of the first one to use a Digital camera the KODAK DC 40, with a 2000 pixels, and that was in 1980+. This was mereley to take mugshots of the students 400 in a acouple weeks, 30 0n apage and printed up overnight, and it was so easy, I was won over to Digital whats it. If we look back in to the past at the turn of the 1890 to 1900 there was about i million people in the photographic era, this was due to the Portrait Studios and there were thousands of little studios all over the place. Hundreds in Oxford, Regent and Bond Streets. So the only way of getting around is for the young photographer is to go freelance well if they all end up like that the will be thousands all freelancing. You say you are looking for an Archivist to run your library, I wonder how much you will pay then or think what they be worth, perhaps a lot less as the have not got a degree, but then that I agree is a problem. But they will have to know how to use a computer and know how to use a database, ect, rct. Any way way I have gone enough so I will say best of luck. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 9 Aug 2006 @ 16:22	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #137
Leon Kelberman	Hi Michael Just one or two points that I would like to make, Butchers and Bakers BUT Candlestick Makers, I think we have electricity around somewhere, also a generator would not come amiss. The other point what would you do if if your explummer can't speak English, you would have to get a translator. but all this is purely academic, and would never arise, or. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 9 Aug 2006 @ 23:49	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #138
Leon Kelberman	Oh dear Horace I hope that you are not upset, I do feel bad that you have taken it so badly. I will have to throw away my slate board and eat the chalk, I suppose it will do my digestion good and stop me getting ulcers.. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 10 Aug 2006 @ 9:17	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #139
Horace Ward	Im OK,Leon.Thanks for your concern... Except this morning as Im living near Heathrow Im taking to the dug-out & wearing the wartime tinhat.I've upgraded my well being.You cannot be too careful. IP : Logged
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Thu 10 Aug 2006 @ 10:52	Re: Young photographers from abroad Post #140
Leon Kelberman	Wise move Horace, I hope you have good drainage in case the global warming come to an end. Besr wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 11 Aug 2006 @ 22:36	Re: Is fashion photography art? Post #141
Leon Kelberman	Hi So what is fine art photography, please tell me I'm all eyes. Leon IP : Logged
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Sat 12 Aug 2006 @ 18:04	Re: one for Justin.. Post #142
Leon Kelberman	Hi The Robert Tressell Centre Dave Harker publishes "Tressell - The real story of The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" ... You can now download the Ragged ... www.1066.net/tressell/ · Cached · Save You can try this, I havn't, so dunno if it works, I think that the book was written in 20's ot 30's have read parts of it but can't remember too much, But it is about Trade Unionists and Capitalism, In fact any caught reading the Book was considered a Bolshevik, but they have all gone now. Hope this is of use. Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 14 Aug 2006 @ 6:19	Re: one for Justin.. Post #143
Colin Gaunt	Leon, there are several versions of the book. I read the complete Oxford, which is a bit long winded. It's a book that everybody should read. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 14 Aug 2006 @ 6:19
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Tue 15 Aug 2006 @ 23:33	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #144
Leon Kelberman	Hi Emma. By the way any relation to Hartley, if not do not worry I will not Judge you. Now your question of taking images ie photographs, I am known as bit of a maverick about the use of what to use to take images, so I will giv you my version which is well know by the other writers. Photography is going through a scientific change and there are now TWO sytems available, some will say that use a camera that uses film. But I say that Digital cameras are the choice to use as it has many advantages over film cameras. But you must make the choice, and sugge4st you find some whoactually knows photoraphy or image makeing. Read books, to start I would suggest Michael Langford, he has written many good books on learning Photography as I managed to get through some of the exams I took. And One very main point, eat, sleep and dring Photography. Best wishes Leon ps how was that lads. IP : Logged
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Wed 16 Aug 2006 @ 9:34	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #145
David Thomas	Hi Emma, Leon the maverick, in his own world, ha! BW I think we all started there, landscapes prints to sell etc but get side tracked in to the world of the paying client. I started manual everything, camera did all my own processing now 100% digital. Film is a good place to start, it takes longer and I guess you have to think more, but when you know what you're doing, and many on this site don't (stir stir) then go digital, it is the only way head. Mostly, enjoy. If you don't STOP. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Wed 16 Aug 2006 @ 9:34
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Wed 16 Aug 2006 @ 11:19	Re: RESTORING FAMILY SNAPSHOTS Post #146
Leon Kelberman	Hi Martin I have not heard from you for some time and wondered what you were upto. I also wondered when you use the expression time to move on, and must remember that in the 1990 was put into that position by thge innovation of the Digital age even though it was very 'Crude'. and expensive, but now it is getting very capable and is on it's way to take on the Camera base systems even thogh there are a few areas that do not seem to cover. Any way best wishes and hope youstill continue to write in. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 16 Aug 2006 @ 11:28	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #147
Leon Kelberman	Hi David IF i am in my own world theres a lot of people who are there with me, in fact the Amateurs that supported the Research for the films that Kodak produced , no longer exists, because they have gone over to digital cameras, and one must not forget the MOBILE Phones, this to has cause them to move over. So David accept the facts and learn to live with it Istarted 50 years ago, 10"X8" , Whole Plate, Half Plate, 5"x4" , and 35 mm Cameras, all different size films, 3 gallon deep tanks, etc, etc, and I am glad that it nearly over, I no longer use a film base camera. But times have changed, I remember when KODAK made over 50, 35mm films, have a look at an earely Kodak catalogue, for different applications Now all gone, except for a few colour and B&W films. I do suggest that any one who wants to take up Photography should be made aware of the Digital system as well as the conventional Film process. This should not confiuse "The Student Photographer of Image Maker", but to help them to make the change bover as easy as possible. Education along the line s of the photographic will still be used for the dugital as producing the images are similar, ie Composition, B&W, Colour, plus the many uses that were available in producing Silver Images. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Wed 16 Aug 2006 @ 11:28
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Wed 16 Aug 2006 @ 12:31	Re: RESTORING FAMILY SNAPSHOTS Post #148
Martin Wood	Thanks Leon I am not finished with this business yet awhile! IP : Logged
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Thu 17 Aug 2006 @ 17:16	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #149
David Thomas	Leon, put your handbag down, take a deep breath, calm down. I am 100% digital, that said when I started it was all film and I was making the point that I think it could be a good thing for students to learn on film. First as the whole, the process is slower, makes them think a bit about the image and what there doing instead of, I can fix in in PS later. you know the old stuff like depth of field, shutter speeds the old school stuff before which programme mode to use. Only since I went digital did I have an AF camera, they were all manual, 35mm, 645, 6x6, 6x6 even 5x4, now one camera fits all, digital and can save me 2-3k in lab bills a month. All I was getting at was learn the basics, it's a pain but long term it will be worth it. After all who learns to drive in an F1 car? IP : Logged
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Sun 20 Aug 2006 @ 12:05	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #150
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Sun 20 Aug 2006 @ 12:30	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #151
Leon Kelberman	Hi All Gosh Colin, I see you have gone into the enlarged version of the mini auto. You should be careful otherwise you will be accused of carrying your suitcase around. But do not worry we all come to in the end. Keep up the good work. By the way coul;d you give me advice on how to get a job taking photos using a film camera, I still have my excellent Minaolta disc camera. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Sun 20 Aug 2006 @ 12:30
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Sun 20 Aug 2006 @ 13:20	Re: Assistant Jobs Post #152
Leon Kelberman	Hi Luisa I am going to ask you whether you enquired if the was any information about vacancies for Photographers in the London Area. Also these mixed feelings, what really does this mean, and it would be interestin what actual work you have done. There is also the change in the Photographic process from Film to Digital imaging, and do you have any experience of using Digital images? Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 20 Aug 2006 @ 16:13	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #153
Leon Kelberman	HI. The biggest problem is that many photographers do not understand that the Film Camera is well on it's way out and the entire photographic induustry is changing, but the photographers of to day do not know how to cope with it. It happened with the Dockers , Miners, Newspaper workers and many others. What is needed is for the Educationists to sort themselves out and stop TEACHING photography as they did Ten Years ago. Young people CANNOT get a post, Vacancy, or a Job in the photographic industry, as you may know or not , many, people are taken DIGITAL IMAGES where at one time PHOTOGRAPHERS did the work. Yjey have digital Cameras, Mobile Phones toboot, and this means they do not use film in their camera. To any complete Novice, look into the aspects of photography and ask photographers what they do, and what is the Future for PHOTOGRAPHY, becaus e there at=re many YOUNG people led up the garden Path. Can you offer good sound advice to others what is the Future of Photography st.john st.john pope Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 20 Aug 2006 @ 18:31	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #154
Justin Roberts	Leon I have spoken to many photographers both pro and am and I can't think of one who believes that digital does not, and will not dominate the photographic business from here on in. Not all of them though share your belief that there is no future for film. A much reduced role yes, but extinction, no. Justin. IP : Logged
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Sun 20 Aug 2006 @ 20:16	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #155
Michael Hoban	Emma, listen to Leon, he gives excellent advice, its not worth it, Photography is dead, there are no jobs. Or maybe not. IP : Logged
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Sun 20 Aug 2006 @ 22:32	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #156
Leon Kelberman	Hi, Justin and Michael I am not saying that there will be no more jobs in Photography, I am merely saying that it wll a change and will be different. The reason why I say that film may no longer be used is because there is a Point when it will not be viable to make the film so that it will not be a loss to the manufacturer, lets face it no is going tp produce fil;m so that they run at a loss. There is one way that it may last longer is the Cine film is still being used so I suppose it could go back 80 yeras when 35mm cinene film was use but that remanins to be seen as well as processing the film. I am onlking at the fact that less images are being made using film than ever be fore, so it is a problem, but as I have said that it is a problem and people comminig to photography should be made aware of. IP : Logged
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Mon 21 Aug 2006 @ 10:41	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #157
Leon Kelberman	Hi Horace I must admit theat I did not know that, this must really be a blow to those who think that film will last forever, as I can only say that the writing is on the wall and it could mean that phorography could change a lot faster than we may think. So young PHOTOGRAPHERS the wheels are turningand the photographic courses wil soon disappear. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 21 Aug 2006 @ 11:03	Re: Assistant Jobs Post #158
Luisa Abela	Hi Leon The mixed feelings haven't been about my work, more about an assistant finding work in London. I do have experience in using digital, at the moment I'm using Nikons D1 and DX2 and a Hassleblad H2. I do 99% of all retouching after a shoot and at the moment I'm trying to build up a good enough portfolio for when i move to London. I'm doing some studio work and some street photography. Once im happy with a number of photos i'll build a website. I'm very judgmental with my own work so it takes alot for me to say 'yes i like it' And yeah i am asking if anyone would need help from November. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 21 Aug 2006 @ 11:03
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Mon 21 Aug 2006 @ 11:24	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #159
Horace Ward	Hello,Leon, I always thought film stock was a messy thing from the cinema point of view,and the quicker the change over the better,and I don't know whether you have heard this,but by the 'digital'method you can project 3D with ease,without glasses and one Digital projector.(via the server). This runs at a higher frame rate,thus fooling the brain into seeing the image as we normally see it.Hollywood is geared up to produce more movies in this medium. It's a fast changing world. I've recently seen some excellent pictures taken with a high class digital camera,I won't name it,but it's sometimes mention at BJ. OK,so,my beef is this,I was with him that day the pictures were taken-I shot on film,he digital,I'd rattled off my 36 frames before you could say Jack Robinson..he was still pushing buttons,looking at the screen,and shall I shoot RAW,TIFF,or JPEG. Sorry,Mr.Manufacturers you will have to do better than this.This technology is still in it's infancy and is NOT for me. Produce a digital camera as simple as a Rolleiflex and you have won me over.Yes,and the day WILL come,when you can just take a simple picture with a digital camera,cutting out all this raws jazz etc..put the card in,a bang,PERFECTLY sharp picture without all the fuss. Manufacturers love buttons,they think it sells more cameras.No it doesn't...somewhere out there a guy has perfected the ideal digital camera,just needs some brave soul to make it. IP : Logged
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Mon 21 Aug 2006 @ 17:31	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #160
Michael Hoban	'Young people CANNOT get a post, Vacancy, or a Job in the photographic industry' Sorry Leon, I miss understood you when you wrote the above. Its only old people who can get the non existent jobs then?. Ok, seriously, which part of the 'Photographic Industry' do you refer to, because the high street sector seems to be booming, and do you include the BJP as part of the industry?, will that dissapear along with all the jobs too?. IP : Logged
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Mon 21 Aug 2006 @ 22:19	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #161
Leon Kelberman	Hi Michael The main area that I am refering to is where photographers were employed has been reduced, The Civil Service employed 600 photographers, Unversities had up to 5 per department, The health service had a large number of photographers. There were also a large number of photographic technicians that also have disappeared. You say that the High Street is booming in what may I ask, selling digital cameras or mobile phones, please give me a clue. And what are the vacancies being filled by these photographers. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 21 Aug 2006 @ 22:19
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Mon 21 Aug 2006 @ 22:35	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #162
Michael Hoban	No clues needed Leon, Its plain to see for anyone not wearing blinkers, yes ,Digital Cameras and Mobile Phones, all part of the 'Industry' which you claim is dead. Anyone buying one of these, regardless of the merits in relation to Proffessional Photography, is contributing to the 'Photographic Industry', Go to your high street minilab and see how many 'young' people are employed in the 'Photographic Industry'., yet you claim there are no jobs for young people, simply not true. Go into your local camera shop and see how many people are queing up to buy into 'The Photographic Industry', all of which you say is dead, it is just simply not true. I have said too many time to remember that you do not need to be 'Employed' as a 'Photographer' to have a career in the 'Photographic Industry'. No one is interested in statistics from 50 years ago, the world has changed, we all know that, what has not changed is that as long as someone somewhere is taking a Photograph, wether it is with a 10x8 Linhoff or a 2mp camera phone, there will need to be an industry to service it. There are plenty of jobs, plenty of opportunities and plenty of options. Why cant you accept it?. IP : Logged
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Mon 21 Aug 2006 @ 22:51	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #163
Leon Kelberman	Sorry Michael I do not consider selling Digital Cameras or Mobile Phones as I would also consider selling Film Based Cameras and Film, come to think of it ,selling any accessory, as taking photographs, and doing photography. And as for the High Street Lab well they do seem to be dissappearing. Also as many Film Camera makers have stopped making cameras what would be the point of Film and their proceesors. I think enough said Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 22 Aug 2006 @ 16:38	Re: Complete Novice - Your advice.... Post #164
Leon Kelberman	Michael It appwears that we are at some mix up here. Photography in the old days meant that a camera was loaded with film, exposed, the film was processed, and prints would be made so that it could be seen what was taken, This would be various subjects, ie A House, A Horse, A Motor Car, A Wedding Bride & Groom etc. Or maybe, Inside a Mouth to show Teeth, Or using a Microscope, or photographin the eye to show the Retina, We would then expect to see printsof all that was taken so that we could make decision. This would come under the PhOTOGRAPHIC process and takes time and all prints would be well lit and sharp or in FOCUS. With digital imaging The end results are a lot quicker, but the knowledge of photography still has to be adhered to also this systems does not use FILM, Chemicals , Paper, Enlargers, Mini Labs, Manufactures for the Film & Paper. I am not Talking about the death of a profession but saving it for the new technology. ' we no longer have to read your baseless rants about the death of our proffession, and instead see you offering real advice and encouragemnt to those seeking it?.' (Your words) But I am offering some advice that must come from the Photographic and Education as it is in their interest to see that it will be a Skilled industry to carry on. But offering a possible solution, that the entire education of PHOTOGRPHY should be properly discussed so that new entrants know exactly what the new photography has to offer. When you consider how many Students have just left with their new 'QUALIFICATIONS of PHOTOGRAPHY', will the be able to become a photographer of their choice Not just stuck in a shop, trying to make the customer buy a camera and then offer a manitenance insurance. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 22 Aug 2006 @ 16:38
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Tue 22 Aug 2006 @ 16:46	Re: Easy Question Post #165
Leon Kelberman	Hi Andrew What do you want to photograph, and what did you do, what do you mean by 'conflict photography'. Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 22 Aug 2006 @ 16:53	Re: Urgent Help required with digi compact Post #166
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin Try reading the card in photoshop using a card reader as the card does appear in mycomputer and go from there. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 31 Aug 2006 @ 16:48	Re: www.nadimyounas.com Post #167
Leon Kelberman	Hi Nadim As a matter of interest whats your object for the web site. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 3 Sep 2006 @ 23:08	Re: www.nadimyounas.com Post #168
Leon Kelberman	So pray Nadim what are your images, which are greatly positive and creative. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 3 Sep 2006 @ 23:12	Re: www.nadimyounas.com Post #169
Leon Kelberman	So pray Nadim what are your images, which are greatly positive and creative. Leon PS. Oh dear it has multiplied, I know not what has happened, do forgive me. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Sun 3 Sep 2006 @ 23:12
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Mon 4 Sep 2006 @ 21:11	Re: www.nadimyounas.com Post #170
Leon Kelberman	Hi Nadim "So pray Nadim" is an old medieval expression by asking what they mean, in other words tell me all and explain, as in the old four letter word which is Anglo-Saxon and virtually means anything. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 4 Sep 2006 @ 21:11
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Wed 6 Sep 2006 @ 23:22	Re: Photography Opportunity in Montserrat, West Indies, Feb 2007 Post #171
Leon Kelberman	Hi So how much $'s would I need to go to this Island, and what would I make on this little diversion. Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Wed 6 Sep 2006 @ 23:22
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Wed 6 Sep 2006 @ 23:55	Re: Boom time for manufacturers Post #172
Leon Kelberman	Hi I suppose that business is booming, there are more companies involved in the manufacture of, Digital Cameras, Printers, Papers, Cartidges, Software and many other computer perifials. than there were in Cameras, Processing, films etcetera, etc., etc. The turn around must have been in the Billions of £'s, $'s, and Euros, and Yens, and of course not forgett ing the Chinese eqivalents. But what has been exchanged for this Boom. Less photographers working as photographers in the industry. The number of photographers that were working from 1950 - 1970 will never be the same, the technology has changed and much of the photographic images that were produced by photographers, wil;l be produced by technicians as part of their work ie Opthalmic, Microphotography, and students for their projects and thesis just to name a few. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 7 Sep 2006 @ 0:26	Re: Photography Opportunity in Montserrat, West Indies, Feb 2007 Post #173
Carolyne Coleby	Hi Leon The cost of the flight depends where you are coming from. If you are flying from the UK, you can usually get a good deal with First Choice who fly from Gatwick to Antigua on Fridays. There are regularly flights for about £200 return (check www.cheapflights.co.uk Gatwick to Antigua or phone Sunsail in Southampton). Other scheduled flights with Virgin or BMI are usually around £400. To get to Montserrat from Antigua, you are looking at between £40-80 return on Winair. The cost of the workshop is £400 for a week, plus £75 based on shared accommodation. Students can get a substantial discount. The full programme is available online at the address given, but you would be learning alongside professional photographers. I specialise in abstract landscape and travel photography and can also help with marketing strategies. Igor has a busy commercial studio in Canada and holds a variety of awards, including travel photography awards, and has published a book on Montserrat, 'Montserrat and Montserratians'. Workshops will start on Sat 24 Feb and run until the following Friday evening, with group critiques in between. There will be unique opportunities to photograph the volcano, plus get to know and photograph the island, including it's rainforests and mountains. There will be optional workshops on landscape and underwater photography. I hope this answers your questions. If not, feel free to contact me at: ccoleby2001@yahoo.co.uk Regards Carolyne Carolyne Coleby IP : Logged
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Thu 7 Sep 2006 @ 0:30	Re: Photography Opportunity in Montserrat, West Indies, Feb 2007 Post #174
Carolyne Coleby	Hi Leon The cost of the flight depends where you are coming from. If you are flying from the UK, you can usually get a good deal with First Choice who fly from Gatwick to Antigua on Fridays. There are regularly flights for about £200 return (check www.cheapflights.co.uk Gatwick to Antigua or phone Sunsail in Southampton). Other scheduled flights with Virgin or BMI are usually around £400. To get to Montserrat from Antigua, you are looking at between £40-80 return on Winair. The cost of the workshop is £400 for a week, plus £75 based on shared accommodation. Students can get a substantial discount. The full programme is available online at the address given, but you would be learning alongside professional photographers. I specialise in abstract landscape and travel photography and can also help with marketing strategies. Igor has a busy commercial studio in Canada and holds a variety of awards, including travel photography awards, and has published a book on Montserrat, 'Montserrat and Montserratians'. Workshops will start on Sat 24 Feb and run until the following Friday evening, with group critiques in between. There will be unique opportunities to photograph the volcano, plus get to know and photograph the island, including it's rainforests and mountains. There will be optional workshops on landscape and underwater photography. I hope this answers your questions. If not, feel free to contact me at: ccoleby2001@yahoo.co.uk Regards Carolyne Carolyne Coleby IP : Logged
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Thu 7 Sep 2006 @ 8:38	Re: Boom time for manufacturers Post #175
Horace Ward	Actually,Leon,it's the amateurs that are the biggest buyers of this new equipment.That's where the sales have gone through the roof. You are right,the decline of the professional (as we know it) wouldn't keep a flea alive. Everybody NOW is a professional (or they think they are) offering services at cut price rates (because they have no business knowledge) to anyone that needs servicing...I've got a digital ain't I great,syndrome. Before everyone had a place in life,that's changed,the amateur earns more money now and can buy the latest top of the range gear,while the poor REAL professional is struggling to pay his/her VAT,tax,rates,etc. New cameras are like new car/ number plates,bring out a new whatever,the queue will stretch around the block,it's human nature. Manufacturers know that,it makes business sense. IP : Logged
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Thu 7 Sep 2006 @ 8:55	Re: Boom time for manufacturers Post #176
Michael Hoban	At last leon, you have come round to my way of thinking. You dont need to be a photographer to be in the Photographic business. There are many many many jobs in the Photographic business, it is booming as you say, and as I have said too many times to remember. Our business is not in decline, more people buying cameras means more people taking pictures which means more likelyhood that some of those people will decide to make a career out of it, bypassing the need for a irrelevent Photographic education. It is a great time to be a Photographer. From a business point of view, Photography is highly profitable. For prints, I am paying a fraction of what I was paying before the adoption of high quality lab digital printing. The costs of specialist services may have doubled, but my prices for those services have gone up more, and people pay it because of the percieved value of the product against the mass market churn out product. As for the new cameras, people always have and always will be exploited, it is a s you say human nature, how many of you paid 2k 3 years ago for the earliest DVD recorders? despite the knowledge that technology would eventually make new ones at a price lower than the DVD itself?, Likewise computers, looking through old invoices, I cant believe what I paid for machines witha massive 64mb ram!. We are lucky to be in a business which from most peoples view point is enviable, we are paid to do what many consider a hobby, I still think like that. I have a slack day today, I am going to watch some episodes of Lost (genius TV), mow the lawn, chat to the builders working on the house next door, and basically do very little whilst enjoying the Sunshine. It is not all doom and gloom, far from it. IP : Logged
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Sat 9 Sep 2006 @ 16:48	Re: Boom time for manufacturers Post #177
Leon Kelberman	Hi Michael It's not that I have come to your way of thinking but have always been there, and there are so many people who know about photography that I am surpised the Professionals have managed to appear. We have now come round the full circle, thousands of people have now some form of image making device, that it will not take long on who have become the professional. Leon IP : Logged
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Sat 9 Sep 2006 @ 16:54	Re: photographers assistant Post #178
Leon Kelberman	Hi Charlotte I feel that you may not gert in on the act, Photography has changed in the last ten years, and the progression from learning to working in the phoographic enviroment has virtually dissapeared, and remains a free for all. But you may find some studio that MAY take you on and help you, perhaps there is some one out there. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Sat 9 Sep 2006 @ 18:28	Re: photographers assistant Post #179
charlotte laurie	Leon, thanks for your note, do you have any ideas then I can explore you might come up with something I have not thought of. I thought of working with a unit photographer on something like Eastenders, which is near me but I cannot get hold of his name. I did try and pretend that I had met someone in a bar recently when I telephoned the Eastenders helpline and I left my number, but I think they probably sussed that I was blagging, but surely that is what it is all about. If you can think of anything I have not please do let me know. Thanks again for reading my message. IP : Logged
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Sat 9 Sep 2006 @ 20:42	Re: Boom time for manufacturers Post #180
Michael Hoban	It's not that I have come to your way of thinking but have always been there Well thats great Leon, glad to hear that you agree that there are countless opportunities for Photographers these days and that a Photographic education is an irrelevence in becoming a Photographer. IP : Logged
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Thu 21 Sep 2006 @ 12:58	Re: FILM: for me the end credits rolled today. Post #181
Leon Kelberman	Hi It appears that a new era is approaching, and the Silver Halide is laid to rest, and it will not belong now when the silverhalide will be obselete. It will really be a sad day when it does come to an end but life must go on. The photographic industry will change and the 'Photographer' be a person of the past. But what is needed is a new outlook on the 'Photographic Media', where Education will be similar but different, let's hope that the educaters will notice so that the can cater for the Training and Employment, for the New Image Makers. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 21 Sep 2006 @ 13:05	Re: Should I charged my friend for my work? Post #182
Leon Kelberman	Hi Do nothing for nothing if you don not want to charge the full price the charge her the cost of the "mateia" ie ware and tear and What ever it cost you plus a percentage for old time sake. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 21 Sep 2006 @ 21:17	Re: FILM: for me the end credits rolled today. Post #183
Leon Kelberman	Hi Matthew Here we have the Old with the New, mid you this is a bit much for waht they want, unless the do not have a clue, seems a bit of a waste, why not tell them that you cannot get the film. The film could run out after one year. Best of luck Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 21 Sep 2006 @ 22:08	Re: FILM: for me the end credits rolled today. Post #184
Michael Hoban	Another constructive post Leon. Alternatively he could tell them that without the help of NASA he is unlikely to get the resolution from arial digital images that he would with film, surely this is better than both lying to the client and telling them they 'have not got a clue'. IP : Logged
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Thu 21 Sep 2006 @ 22:29	Re: FILM: for me the end credits rolled today. Post #185
Leon Kelberman	Michael You do get better with age, my spelling just goes down the pan, mind you NASA do charge loads as they have all those mouths to feed, I suppose he could try to get away by asking to pay $2 to the £. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 1 Oct 2006 @ 12:37	Re: Anyone out there? Post #186
Leon Kelberman	Hi Martin I would be sorry to see you go , as it is always useful to have a friendly 'face' to talk to, even in the old days I always found someone who I could ask questions. and found your submissions useful. Now the big question do you know what is Kodak's future in the Photographic industry, or shall we wait and see. Best wishes and take care. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 1 Oct 2006 @ 17:47	Re: Chaudigital is now 20 years old! Post #187
Michael Hoban	Dont flatter yourself Martin, despite the dewy eyed sentiments posted, lets not forget you use this forum to display blatant commercial favouritism towards your employer. Something none of us simple little individuals could ever do. I consider and expect Mr Chau to be slightly more objective when giving us his often very good and well worth reading posts. You on the other hand gave us a daily/weekly/monthly update on new Kodak products, few of which had any relevence. In seeking advice on film, how many times did you say that Velvia was a far superior product to anything Kodak produced?, how often did you say that Fuji, Mitsubishi or even, god forbid, Epson, printers produced superior results to the technically flawed and out of date Kodak systems?, and please dont get me started on the disgracefull way you treated Pro photographers who bought into the Pro14n or any other products Kodak developed 'for the future'. If you had been a little more humble in assessing your employers products then I for one would have taken you more seriously, but you could not do that could you?, You come accross as the ultimate corporate lacky, a sell out in every sense. Actually maybe now that they are not filling your pocket to plug their products on here we might actually find out what you really think of them?. I have over 20 years experience in 'The Trade' and much of it for different companies, you cant flannel me, with a couple of 'free rolls of film', or sheets of Inkjet paper, maybe thats what bugs you. But perhaps the clearest indication of your problem came when I recently asked you about buying bulk film. Your response was arrogant beyond belief in dismissing my requierement for, I think, one thousand rolls of film ( may be wrong but it was still a lot by most standards) Your reply was that Kodak dont deal in such small orders, well thanks for pointing that out, because one of your competitors was only too happy to accomodate me and with the exception of 1 type of 120 E6 film, I am out of Kodak's hair for good now, it is that kind of thing that I will consider to be your legacy. Enjoy whatever you are going to do now Martin, you are clearly one of the last of a dying breed, maybe you and Leon can join forces and rip yarns about 'when those were the days'. Cheerio. IP : Logged
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Mon 30 Oct 2006 @ 17:35	Re: Looking For Advice and a Job Post #188
Leon Kelberman	Hi Tom If you have been reading photographic magazine you will have seen that taking photographs is changing, and the Darkroom is going to disappear. You do not say what you know about photgraphy and taking photographs. The system for taking 'Images' will be taken by a digital camera, and if you understand photographic theory you find thaking the images easier. I would not suggest that you stop learning as ytou may not find an opening into a photographic studio as I have already said that it is in the middle of a massive change over, from film to digital imaging. All this information will need careful thinking in what to go into next. best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 30 Oct 2006 @ 18:13	Re: Looking For Advice and a Job Post #189
John Colley	^^^ Obviously still alive. Well, typing at least if not thinking Wake up Leon! Tom, Very simply the art is selling. If you think you've got the product and confidence to do it - then do it. Or, if you think you could learn something from a college course or, an assistants job do that. At 17 years of age I'd say go for it now. Try it. If you don't succeed you can always enrol at a later date. Time is on your side and you never know, you may get lucky first time round. Luck is something we all need no matter how talented or, clever we are. Best of everything, John. IP : Logged
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Wed 1 Nov 2006 @ 0:19	Looking for advice/job part 2. Post #190
Tom Ellis	I would like to thank John, Leon and Harry for there advice on my last thread i posted. To anwser some of there critics and questions, Im quite confidant on the digital side of things aswel as the black and white, i have been experimenting with digital cameras for some time now and have some good images that i would like to include in my own portfolio at some point in the future. I also am quite enthusiastic and confidant with photoshop as well. The question that i had was that where do i need to look for an assistant type job? Is it a case of just looking out in local adds or is there any where specific that i can go and look at? thanks alot for any help guys. Tom. IP : Logged
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Thu 2 Nov 2006 @ 12:29	Re: Looking for advice/job part 2. Post #191
Leon Kelberman	Hi Tom I am sorry but I cannot help you find a job, BUT you could be lucky to find one very soon or it may take some time, this all depends what is on offer. I was made redundant when I was 55 and I had about 100 jobs that I applied for and only six were photographic jobs, from printing to 'Cruise Photography', after six months I became LUCKY and got a one-man band job in a University, to offer a photographic service department. I stayed till I retired and gradually saw that the Photographer was going to disappear as many of needs for 'IMAGES' were made by the students and academic, using DIGITAL imaging and Cameras and Scanners. Just Before I left 4 photographers were reduced by 2. One of the great advantages of working in a unversity or large organisation the amount of different subjects is quite enormouse ie Student mugshots, Photomicrosciopy, Macro photography, makin slides, using different types of films, photographing many different subjects so that you will get a very wide area of experience. Any way see what you can find, Best wishes Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Thu 2 Nov 2006 @ 12:29
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Sun 5 Nov 2006 @ 17:11	Re: Looking For Advice and a Job Post #192
Leon Kelberman	Hi Mr.Colley Armstrong Jones, (Lord Snowdon) once said that you need some luck when taking pictures because you do not know, when there is going to be a problem. Of course if you do not succeed give up, and as for my typing the letters key, they are so close to each other that my fingers slip around the key board. I would say that at 17 one need to learn as much as one did when they were under 5 years that is the real age of learning, mainly at an older age unless what one learns is correct then one does not learn the right method. There were many factors that I thought were not correct, I looked them up and found out if they were true. So you can see that I am alive or appear to be. Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 15 Nov 2006 @ 11:36	Re: Novice seeking advice for new camera.... Post #193
Leon Kelberman	Hi All Sorry fellas whether we like it or not DIGITAL is here to stay, (But I will say it again and again), itcouyld be that I was forced to go into doing DIGITAL images in the 1990's, Gosh 15 years ago. I am still how ever thankful of learning photography with a Film Cameras, Pentax LX, Nikon HP3, 5x4 MPP. and some a bit bigger. But the conclusion that I have come to is that a good understanding of early photography is useful to know. as have retired I do not use a film acamera, because I no longer have Dark room. Film cameras are vey cheap now, have look on Ebay and you will get a very bargain. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Wed 15 Nov 2006 @ 14:26	Re: Novice seeking advice for new camera.... Post #194
Horace Ward	So is FILM,Leon...we now have a choice. IP : Logged
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Wed 15 Nov 2006 @ 23:18	Re: Novice seeking advice for new camera.... Post #195
Leon Kelberman	Hi But the big problem is How long will Film and Paper last, as you know many films have gone and we now have only what is on offer, the choice is only as long as the film will last. So start taking Digital more seriously. Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 16 Nov 2006 @ 8:02	Re: Novice seeking advice for new camera.... Post #196
st.john st.john pope	Leon, Have you considered a Job in the Labour Party? St.J IP : Logged
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Thu 16 Nov 2006 @ 9:16	Re: Novice seeking advice for new camera.... Post #197
Horace Ward	No,Leon,because we don't want to be lectured,we'll make up our own minds. It's interesting to hear in a latest survey that brides prefer their weddings to be shot on FILM in the old fashioned way,none of this new fancy stuff of CD's etc.What if a new invention comes along making playing CD's obsolete...and it will. The nation also seems to forgot,a lot of people don't even have COMPUTERS. Too much is forced down our necks these day's in the name of progress.Of course,it keeps the wheels on industry moving,it's natural.The poor general public suffer in the meantime. To those students out there,you have a choice,the world isn't going to collapse if you are still using a film camera,splendid. The future,we'll cross that bridge when it arrives.In the meantime enjoy the 'choice' of materials. Doom is a long way off. IP : Logged
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Thu 16 Nov 2006 @ 11:48	Re: Novice seeking advice for new camera.... Post #198
Leon Kelberman	Hi I am not lecturing any one I am merely stating what will happen in the future of the Photographic Industry, Less film is being made today, Less paper is being used for coating, this you cannot deny, also less photographers are being employed. The system is changing and the probility is film will evenutally come to an end because the sales will fall and become an unecenomic prposition. Many photographic images have been taken over the years. Again this is not trying to Lecture any one BUT Stating the fact. Over the last ten years many photographic reas have gone and replace with the Digital system. and appears to do the work quite well, so you may suddenly have to cross the bridge or start make your own emulsion or look int 35mm cine film, unless that all starts to go onto plastic screens. How ever Good images are always needed so keep up the good work. Sorry not interested in joining any party because it is the civil service who calls the shots. Good luck Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Thu 16 Nov 2006 @ 11:48
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Sun 19 Nov 2006 @ 12:26	Re: Second Assistant Looking for Unpaid Work Post #199
Leon Kelberman	Hi Diana As time goes by there are many young people who want to become Photographers in this day and age, even though they have studied a photogeaphic course. BUT the main fact is there is very little around to offer, the young photographic student. I notice in the BJP this week on the classified page (where the vacancies are avertised), IF you reqire any vacancies to be filled for photography please use us. Many of the vacancies available are for Photographers with experiance, thi there for does not include Students and beginers. Please NOTE I am not lecturing on what is happening, the photographic industry but is a fact of life, and it is my conclusion that there should be a complete overhaul of the teaching and what is available in vacancies in the future. IP : Logged
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Wed 22 Nov 2006 @ 17:18	Re: Second Assistant Looking for Unpaid Work Post #200
Justin Roberts	Ah Leon, good to see you on the ball as always. Whilst you are up and about what do you reckon to the reapearence of Velvia 50 due to popular demand, according to Fuji? Justin. IP : Logged
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Thu 23 Nov 2006 @ 11:06	Re: Second Assistant Looking for Unpaid Work Post #201
Leon Kelberman	Hi Justin Re your Note on 'reapearence of Velvia 50 due to popular demand, according to Fuji?' I did see this, I can offer several possibiliteis on what may happen, of course the can only be one way forward for Fuji. 1. They may have vast socks of Paper, Emulsion for Velvia 50 to dispose of. 2. They are HELPING photographers to carry on using the FILM & Paper for continuing on a small amount of the photographic process. 3. Or Fuji are Just Good smaritans . So make your CHOICE (Has FUJI made there's, or ). Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 23 Nov 2006 @ 17:44	Re: Second Assistant Looking for Unpaid Work Post #202
Leon Kelberman	Hi Horace My that was a big speech, In my YOUTH I wanted to become a press photographerand was told to walk down Fleet Street, and you will finda number of News Print Agencies, go and ask if the have any vacancies. And you start the next day. the time is spent taking prints to all the Newspapers, News Agencies, this country and over seas. The Agencey that I satrtd was The Star Agency. if the print that was used by a newspaper or what ever you receive a small fee, and this was done day in day out, in three shifts a day, changing every week, and by the third week one did not know what day or night it was. Had I lasted for a couple oyears I would spend the two years washing prints and glazing them, then came the nex episode would be to print the negatives, and if you lasted you would carry the Photographers Camera and case, at least you would have got out to the point of actuall picture makung. Soi by the time that you first started would be about 10 to 15 years. I could not wait that long and my social life went down the so I gave it all up, and did photography many years later. I did start photography in 1963 and spent most of my time in the Dark room. I stayed 3.5 years and moved on taking photographs, The BJP had Many Vacancies for photographers and allied jobs and they were endless. I think it is about that the Educators of Photography really had a good look at what is happening of the General Higher Education. They are teaching Students that they have no hope what so ever of them ever being employed in this field. Leon IP : Logged
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Sun 26 Nov 2006 @ 11:51	Re: London-based Assitant Post #203
Leon Kelberman	Hi All The great difficulty with finding a Photographic vacanciy is virtually impossable and it appears NO ONE is interested in trying to solve this problem, and most of the educators merely ignore what is happening, and put there head back in the sand The changing over from film and camera base processing, to digital imaging has been very slow as far as the Photographic fraternaty is concerned does not exist, the Universities and colleges still continuing to carry on as they have done for the past thirty years. Whilst I working in a university I found that my photographic work was getting less and less and I was forced to move over to digital imaging. Prints were no longer needed for publication, student tesis were now the being made by the Student. Hospitals now uses the digital camera through a microscope in their eye clinics. 2x2 slides were no longer requiresd as the Lectures were using Illustrations from a CD, computer and projector. Members of staff were sending emails with attachments which elliminated making prints. and with the Electonic imaging going on was making the photographer redundant. This is just the start of the Digital Imaging revolution, and the Colleges and universities should cahange their teachinging metods to fit in with the modern age, and teach students that photography has changed and is no longer as it was YESTERYEAR. Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 27 Nov 2006 @ 10:38	Re: London-based Assitant Post #204
Leon Kelberman	Hi Yes Horace we have now reached a full circle and as you can see what is going to happen, Thre will be no point in having Schools to teach photography for a profession, and waste a lot of young peoples lives for 2 - 3 years, when they will not be able to get any vacancies as a photogrpapher unless they go self employed and as you know that this is a limited market. They then could do something really useful. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 27 Nov 2006 @ 11:44	Re: Who the bloodyhell is Homewood? Post #205
Leon Kelberman	Oh dear we have got some under age adults with us, perhaps their carrer's should keep them employed in some useful play. leon IP : Logged
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Mon 27 Nov 2006 @ 14:30	Re: Who the bloodyhell is Homewood? Post #206
David Thomas	Leon, does that mean your not allowed out to play again? Woooooooooooooowwhhh, I'm back, it's me again, Homewood has left the building! For those who missed the earlier posting, guess this link don't make much sense! Ha ho IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 27 Nov 2006 @ 14:30
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Mon 27 Nov 2006 @ 17:51	Re: Who the bloodyhell is Homewood? Post #207
Leon Kelberman	Tuff baby I haff nuttin better to do!!!!!!!!!+++++????????*%^" I will now offer very good conversation, (well wriited stile). Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 27 Nov 2006 @ 17:51
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Mon 27 Nov 2006 @ 22:12	Re: London-based Assitant Post #208
Leon Kelberman	What I find difficult to understand, what is the point of training students to do a profession or trade if there is no need for it. There is no point in training students to for newspapers as the number of workers is only a fraction now of that there were old days. Newspapers have become techinical, who needs Linotype workers. Moteor cars assembly is all that is needed to produce cars, every part comes in a box and not made in the car factory, but else were. So it is not a question of Rationing but what will be needed for the future. Lets face it there is no point in training people in a paticular occupation if there is no need for what is produced. who wants a typewriter ??. Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 27 Nov 2006 @ 22:25	Re: London-based Assitant Post #209
David Thomas	Oh dear, it's doom and gloom Leon back again, perhaps his carer's could give him an extra ration of happy pills with his morning cuppa? IP : Logged  |  Edited: Mon 27 Nov 2006 @ 22:25
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Tue 28 Nov 2006 @ 0:28	Untitled thread Post #210
Leon Kelberman	Hi David It's not the cuppa tea to solve the problems, and the pills sare quite fine but it is the poor people who take up the Courses and do not know whatis on offer to them. By the way I hope you atr making loads of dosh so that you don't have to work untill yo're 94. best wishes Leon not yet 94 IP : Logged
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Tue 28 Nov 2006 @ 0:30	Re: London-based Assitant Post #211
Leon Kelberman	Hi David It's not the cuppa tea to solve the problems, and the pills are quite fine but it is the poor people who take up the Courses and do not know whati s on offer to them. By the way I hope you are making loads of dosh so that you don't have to work untill yo're 94. best wishes Leon....not yet 94 IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 28 Nov 2006 @ 0:30
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Tue 28 Nov 2006 @ 10:33	Re: Who the bloodyhell is Homewood? Post #212
Matthew Noble	I'm not quite certain what you were talking about Leon, we were just complaining that whilst we were on person, the posting name was someone completely different, but peace and the correct names have now been restored! www.matthewnoble.co.uk IP : Logged
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Tue 28 Nov 2006 @ 21:29	Re: Going Mobile Post #213
Justin Roberts	Now don't go knocking digital, you'll have young Leon on your case! Never spent a great fortune on 35mm, got a taste for MF early and never really bothered with the smaller format. Still have a vague hankering for a Leica though, having seen what can be done with them. Which reminds me, the Digilux 3 shoots to RAW according to their insert in the latest BJP. Justin. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 28 Nov 2006 @ 21:29
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Thu 30 Nov 2006 @ 23:46	Re: London-based Assitant Post #214
Leon Kelberman	Hi Did you know that before the days of DEGREES there was such a form of learning known as DAY RELEASE, now I wonder what that may mean. One went to work in a photographic area and went to college one day a week and took a C&G or Institue of British Photographers courses, many of the trades that existed in the old days, such Plumbing, Bricklaying, Electrical, which was all part of the Aprenticeship studying, also used the C&G and the Associations of the trades they were working in. This system of teaching prouced a good representation of skilled workers who studied and worked at the same time. When they finished their time, they became qualified workman. But today There are no day release courses it's either a degree or nothing so when the students leave the colleges and university with there degrees there is no jobs availabe. They are tod to go and find a photagrapher and ask if they any vacancies , 'I will work for nothing to gain experiance'. Go and Freelance others may say, But do thay have the experience and confidence to carry out a business and of course the CASH to goahead and do it. But the teaching of photography in this country has got lost and now they have not got a clue how to teach, just give them a DeGREE that should keep them happy. But alas it will not help them to survive in the photographic in the photographic enviroment. And lastly I wiould to know 'What is Fine Art Photography' Leon IP : Logged
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Fri 1 Dec 2006 @ 10:46	Re: London-based Assitant Post #215
Craig Zendel	Leon, Indulge me. Is English your first language? CraigZ IP : Logged
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Fri 1 Dec 2006 @ 16:57	Re: London-based Assitant Post #216
Leon Kelberman	Craig Ditto Wots yors LeonK IP : Logged
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Fri 1 Dec 2006 @ 21:59	Re: London-based Assitant Post #217
Leon Kelberman	Hi John Ah well thats why I never got those jobs in Fine Art, I wii just have to stick to beach portraits. Thanks. Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 4 Dec 2006 @ 10:32	Re: London-based Assitant Post #218
David Thomas	Beach portraits? Tarts in bikinis you dirty old bugger Leon IP : Logged
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Mon 4 Dec 2006 @ 15:22	Re: London-based Assitant Post #219
Craig Zendel	Leon, "And lastly I wiould to know 'What is Fine Art Photography'" If this brings back Septimius Severus(?), I'm never going to forgive you! CraigZ IP : Logged
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Mon 4 Dec 2006 @ 15:55	Re: London-based Assitant Post #220
Leon Kelberman	Hi Ah come on fellers give an old bloke a chance, I've not been working for five years, But Craig, [And lastly I would to know}] Pray what English is that, I know I an a bitautistic and forgetful and old, But you young chaps should know better, I am going back on the beach to get some good snaps, even if it is cold. Leon Regards to Septimius Severus(?), IP : Logged
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Tue 5 Dec 2006 @ 15:38	Re: canon slr for sale Post #221
David Thomas	Oh, dolly birds?, got any photos??? Wanna buy some, ask Leon, he's been down the beach again IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 5 Dec 2006 @ 15:38
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Wed 6 Dec 2006 @ 8:34	Re: DVD slideshows Post #222
David Thomas	Charge, charge like a pack of stampeding elephants. Freebies are bad, no good will come of them except they will expect more for nowt. Charge like Leon moans, don't ever stop! IP : Logged  |  Edited: Wed 6 Dec 2006 @ 8:34
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Thu 7 Dec 2006 @ 16:48	Re: London-based Assitant Post #223
Leon Kelberman	Cor Justin That certainly given FINE ART PHOTOGRAPHY a bad name, But then nobody appears to know what it is, I suppose one could say that Modern Art is Fine Art Art. But like every thing depends on what you get used to, and what you believe in. Heather I am sorry to say that Photography is changing very fast, and is no longer a subject to study. The entire conception of using photography, and unfortunately the Educators of Photography do not understand what is going On. I have already stated, before Digital Imaging is in use there was time that a Photographic print or Transparency would be required. The whole of the mechanical system is now being exchanged for Pixels, Scanners, Computers and 'Digital' Cameras. Apprentionships in photography were always thin on the ground and Day Release was implemented, this was used by large organisations i.e. Civil Service, Universities, and others who had a Photographic Unit within the Company, most of these have now gone and the number of photographers who did a varied of photographic subjects has been reduced to virtually nil. This series of events closed many of the day release subjects which were mainly City & Guilds courses in the Polytechnic and Technical & School of Art colleges. The colleges DROPPED the day Release subjects and be came Full and Part-Time Courses. The ‘A’ Level course is quite simple, though I must admit, The tutors never tell the students what is required to learn. The A level is divided into three subjects History of Photography, Technical Photography and Practical. And should be taught so that the students understand how they all fit in. The Future, A level ‘technical’ should include digital imaging, Pixels and other data, but will keep the Composition and other technical information that will apply to produce images. No doubt it will take many years for this to resolve it self, and photography will change to Digital Imaging, and all the images will be sent by email over the internet. And in finishing It is certainly about time that the Photographic Teachers started to stop teaching the photography as they will be misguiding students as we can see from Heather’s inquiery. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged
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Thu 7 Dec 2006 @ 22:27	Re: London-based Assitant Post #224
Justin Roberts	Yo Leon You're going to have to up your game me old mucker! Met someone today who makes you look perfectly amateur when it comes to the film is dead gloom and doom stakes. Took a couple of rolls of 120 into a photo shop and they nearly threw me out! Yes they would do them at great personal and financial cost to themselves but really, why bother? And when I suggested that they may offer a discount if I brought a batch of 20 or so then it was nearly time to call the Garda and have me put away for a spell of reflection upon my idiotic ways. He cheered up a little though when I mentioned that I had a Canon and would be looking for some new bits to go with it, he was on home ground here but even in my comparitive state of innocence regarding all things electronic it soon became clear that the great digital God was not to be questioned as I had the temerity to do. This BTW was one of only three Leica dealers in Ireland who also hold both Canon and Nikon dealerships and consider themselves something a little above the average camera shop. Certainly more informed than the standard Jessops 'yoofs' but nowhere near as clever as they would think themselves. He believed for instance that E6 had a better dynamic range than C41 and that pixel size made no difference! I could go on but conversations like this do nothing but convince me that digital has been grossly oversold. My quest continues. Justin. IP : Logged
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Fri 8 Dec 2006 @ 16:23	Re: London-based Assitant Post #225
Leon Kelberman	hi Justin Please do not get ME wrong, I am very happy for yoU that YOU can stiil use 'ye ollde fashion type film', but unfortunately there will not be enough photographers available to keep the film companies happy with their profits. I used to use a blue senitive film cut 6x6 cms. in the Bronica, so that I could make copy negs, as I stopped using the 5x4 camera, but now it would be easier to scan whatever, ie I scanned watches, and coins and stamps, magatines and god knows what. So I stopped using the Bronica for all that work. Ah sey la vie. I do hope that you will be able to use film, BUT do not tell anyone I said so. But I was forced into Digital and I lked it, and do not regret it, and saved me loads of time, anyway enough of the thinking back. Best wishes Leon IP : Logged  |  Edited: Fri 8 Dec 2006 @ 16:23
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Sat 9 Dec 2006 @ 11:52	Re: London-based Assitant Post #226
Leon Kelberman	Well, Well What a an admission from the last to writers, Jack Stringer and Chris Hanley, how ba it really is Learning about how to take PHOTOGRAPHS. So do you not think that it is time that the whole system was completely revamped and take in to concideration of teaching Phoptography today. The nimber of vacancies available to day no longer are available as they were 20 years ago, Digital imaging (Photography), has become the norm. My last point is that if things are left as they are will eventually collapse and may never be abvle to recover, has as othe Industries that were no longer required. These are tough steps to take but it could make Learnining photography worth while. Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 12 Dec 2006 @ 23:34	Re: canon slr for sale Post #227
Leon Kelberman	Hi I'll give half a knicker, thats all the wifes got. IP : Logged
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Sun 17 Dec 2006 @ 12:51	Re: Small discreet studio available for hire between 9am - Midnight from £13 ph Post #228
Leon Kelberman	Ah Fellas, I don't think your'e being 'fair' (I have to put in Commas to show that I can Spell), to Candy East or has she gone West. Leon IP : Logged
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Tue 19 Dec 2006 @ 16:59	Re: Small discreet studio available for hire between 9am - Midnight from £13 ph Post #229
David Thomas	Go WEST TO THE bEACH lEON, GRAP YOUR KIT..................... IP : Logged
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Tue 26 Dec 2006 @ 11:24	Re: Annual Christmas Message Post #230
Justin Roberts	Y'know, I've been bothering this forum for well over 5 years now and right from the begining people have been popping up to confidently predict the extinction of film within 2 or 3 or 4 years and yet it is still with us. Perhaps we should take 2006 as the watershed year when film was meant to be dead and buried and every midwinter solstice from here on in we can celebrate its continued availability and toast the good the health of Leon and others. :-) BTW, I still very much appreciate the help that I have received on this forum re making the switch but it's a question of leopards and spots etc. MF with fixed lenses is a far more contemplative way of doing things I feel, so I can't see myself ever letting it go. Happy St Stevens day to all, Justin. IP : Logged  |  Edited: Tue 26 Dec 2006 @ 11:24
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Fri 29 Dec 2006 @ 19:17	Re: Annual Christmas Message Post #231
Michael Hoban	Which sale leon?, I cant find it in their listings. 'So the age of the camera has now begun to be reduced in price,' A rather sweeping statement and devoid of logic. Rare and collectible cameras will always be in demand. Does the reduced number of traditional prints being produced mean that 'The age of the print has now begun to be reduced in price,'. I dont think so. IP : Logged
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